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Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by softwaredoug »

It's ironic that a few months ago Amazon laid off parts of the Alexa team and 'conversational' was considered failed. Then ChatGPT, etc happened. What Alexa wanted to build with Alexa skills, ChatGPT does much more effortlessly.

It's also an interesting case study. Alexa foundationally never changed. Whereas OpenAI is a deeply invested, basically skunkworks, project with backers that were willing to sink significant cash into before seeing any returns, Alexa got stuck on a type of tech that 'seemed like' AI but never fundamentally innovated. Instead the sunk cost went to monetizing it ASAP. Amazon was also willing to sink cash before seeing returns, but they sunk it into very different areas...

It reminds me of that dinner scene in Social Network. Where Justin Timberlake says "you know what's f'ing cool, a billion dollars" where he lectures Zuck on not messing up with the party before you know what it is yet. Alexa / Amazon did a classic business play. Microsoft / OpenAI were just willing to figure it all out after the disruption happened where they held all the cards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5fJmkv02is

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by IanCal »

nprateem wrote: post #121
killthebuddha wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO you won't even need to build the app, you'll just provide a data model and some natural language descriptions of what you want your product to do.

Except you won't if you want to make money because then you don't have a business

Unless you charge for providing services of value to people.

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by MagicMoonlight »

qbasic_forever wrote: post #132
akavi wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference is unlike self-driving and crypto, LLMs are providing value to people _today_. In my personal life, GPT4 is a patient interlocutor to ask about nerdy topics that are annoying to google (eg, yesterday I asked it "What's the homologue of the caudofemoralis in mammals?", and a long convo about the subtleties of when it is and isn't ok to use "gè" as the generic classifier in Mandarin.) Professionally, it'…

Let's see where it is in a year... People thought Alexa, Siri, etc. would change everything. Amazon sunk 14 billion into Alexa alone. And yet it never generated any money as a business for them. ChatGPT is just an evolution of those tools and interactions. For your professional use how do you know it's giving you non-buggy code? I would be very skeptical of what it provides--I'm not betting my employment on its quali…

Alexa and siri were always trash. They can’t even do basic things.

Nobody thought they were good, they were just shilled so that the chinese/advertisers could have a mic in every house

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by kzrdude »

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #110

I'm boggled at the plugin setup documentation. It's basically: 1. Define the API exactly with OpenAPI. 2. Write a couple of English sentences explaining what the API is for and what the methods do. 3. You're done, that's it, ChatGPT can figure out when and how to use it correctly now. Holy cow.

Just take a peek at the other thread about https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/03/chatgpt-gets-its... and look at the "wrong Mercury" example. I think it's a great example of using an external resource in a flexible way.

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by oezi »

yodon wrote: post #29

This sounds like a game-changer for any kind of API interaction with ChatGPT. At present, we are naively pushing all information a session might need into the session before it might be needed in case it might be needed (meaning a lot of info that generally wont end up being used, like realtime updates to associated data records, needs to be pushed into the session as they happen, just in case). It looks like plugins…

I think OpenAI is letting people build plugins to learn how to build plugins themselves. There is no reason to believe that OpenAI shouldn't be able to leverage all existing API end points which are already out there.

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by nmca »

Bjorkbat wrote: post #197
jyrkesh wrote: post #46

Everyone's been talking about how ChatGPT will disrupt search, but looking at the launch partners, I think this has the potential to completely subvert the OS / App Store layer. On some level, how much do I need an OpenTable app if I can use voice/text input and a multi-modal response that will ultimately book my reservation? Not saying mobile's going away, but this could be the thing that does to mobile what mobile…

I'm kind of skeptical of this simply because people were saying the same thing about chatbots back when there was a lot of hype around Messenger. Sure, they weren't as advanced as what we have now, but they were fundamentally capable of the same things. Not only did the hype not pan out, but it feels as if they were completely forgotten. In a nutshell that's why I'm still largely dismissive of anything related to GPT…

This time it works.

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by w_for_wumbo »

vineyardmike wrote: post #107
jyrkesh wrote: post #46

Everyone's been talking about how ChatGPT will disrupt search, but looking at the launch partners, I think this has the potential to completely subvert the OS / App Store layer. On some level, how much do I need an OpenTable app if I can use voice/text input and a multi-modal response that will ultimately book my reservation? Not saying mobile's going away, but this could be the thing that does to mobile what mobile…

People said this about Alexa/Siri et al and it didn’t happen. ChatGPT is way better at understanding you, so that’s a big boost. It could be a great tool/assistant but it probably won’t replace apps. The problem with those other platforms that this doesn’t address include: - discoverability. How do you learn what features a service supports. On a GUI you can just see the buttons, but on a chat interface you have to a…

I was thinking the same way, but here's where I could imagine things being different this time (Fully aware that I just like anyone else is just guessing about where we'll end up)

- Discoverability. I think we'll move into a situation where the AI will have the context to know what you will want to purchase. It'll read out the order and the specials and you just confirm or indicate that you'd like to browse more options. (In which case the Chat window could include an embedded catalogue of items)

- Cost/availability - With the amount of people working in this area, I don't think it'll be too long before we're able to get a lighter weight model that can run locally on most smart phones.

- Branding - This is a good point, but also, I imagine a brand is more likely to let itself get eaten, if the return will be a constant supply of customers.

- Monetization - The entire model will change, in the sense that AI platforms will revenue share with the platforms they integrate with to create a mutually beneficial relationship with the suppliers of content. (Since they can't exist without the content both existing and being relevant)

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by rescripting »

worldsayshi wrote: post #243
eloff wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think iterations on the current machine learning approaches will lead to a general artificial intelligence. I do think eventually we’ll get there, and that these kinds of concerns won’t matter. There is no way to defend against a superior hostile actor over the long term. We have to be 100%, and it just needs to succeed once. It will be so much more capable than we are. AGI is likely the final invention of th…

> There is no way to defend against a superior hostile actor That's part of my reasoning. That's why we should make sure that we have built a non-hostile relationship with AI before that point.

Probably futile.

An AGI by definition is capable of self improvement. Given enough time (maybe not even that much time) it would be orders of magnitude smarter than us, just like we're orders of magnitude smarter than ants.

Like an ant farm, it might keep us as pets for a time but just like you no longer have the ant farm you did when you were a child, it will outgrow us.

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