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Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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I've worked on contracts alongside MS employees and researchers in the past, and I've been pleasantly surprised. Three decades of experience in the field, and unfortunately, I don't have quite the brooding disdain for Microsoft. Their stock has lined my pockets, their employees have treated my respectfully when we've worked together, their products do what they're advertised to do. Something tells me you're under 40.

> Three decades of experience in the field, and unfortunately, I don't have quite the brooding disdain for Microsoft. Their stock has lined my pockets, their employees have treated my respectfully when we've worked together, their products do what they're advertised to do. "They've lined my pockets and treated me nice so anything they do is all right by me." > Something tells me you're under 40. No. But during my thr…

self-defined winners claim the system works, news at 11

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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You’re comparing the behavior of a 10 year old with the behavior of grown adults. The guy who bullied your friend in college is probably still a monster today. And here you have a company full of people who were older than that (including grad and doctorate students). If he says the sky is blue you look up. It’s probably cloudy.

I’m about the same age as MS so I’m going to push the analogy. I was 26 in 2000. I hope to God I’m not the same person at 49 after 6 jobs, one failed marriage (and a 12 year current successful one), going through the real estate crash where I lost my shirt, etc. I really hope I’m not the same person I was in college in 1996

The tree remembers what the axe soon forgets.

If you’re in a bar tomorrow and someone is picking a fight with you, and they say something that makes you realize that this person is someone you tormented, gloated over and whose life you tried to destroy.

Do you think they’re not entitled to their rage? Do you think you should get a pass in life for wrecking other people’s childhoods without even an apology? Or do you maybe have it coming?

By all means, apologize right now and try to defuse the situation. But Microsoft has never apologized for anything, and their new friends seem to think it’s all overblown and they weren’t cruel, vindictive liars who stunted an entire industry by more than ten years. Gates was deluded. He thought he was saving the world when he wasn’t. Balmer was just a thug. At least he was honest about it.

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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> Looks like someone made a boo-boo it’s simply based on the user agent, w/e string matching they do is too strict they aren’t checking for actual JS/WebASM compatibility or anything like that. Microsoft has repeatedly engaged in malicious anticompetitive behavior. Without any additional information, I therefore think it's rational to place a high prior probability on this being malicious anticompetitive behavior. Th…

Or it’s just a bug.

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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You’re comparing the behavior of a 10 year old with the behavior of grown adults. The guy who bullied your friend in college is probably still a monster today. And here you have a company full of people who were older than that (including grad and doctorate students). If he says the sky is blue you look up. It’s probably cloudy.

>> You’re comparing the behavior of a 10 year old with the behavior of grown adults.

It is not a direct comparison -- it is a metaphor. The degree of literal interpretation here is stunning to me.

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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More like "this guy has a long history of bullying others by pretending that they're out of spec, and now hes' saying someone is out of spec; what are the odds that it's an honest mistake?"

Why go after Firefox then and not Chrome? Do you also think they worry about competition from IBM cloud?

For me, Chrome goes straight into a redirect loop when I follow this link.

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Looks like someone made a boo-boo it’s simply based on the user agent, w/e string matching they do is too strict they aren’t checking for actual JS/WebASM compatibility or anything like that. Chrome stable with a non standard user agent doesn’t work on via the windows live url but works through the O365 corporate one, same with Safari Mobile without any user agent modification. This to me looks like stupidity more th…

>This to me looks like stupidity more than malice Any sufficiently stupid technology is indistinguishable from malice.

Well-played!

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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I’m about the same age as MS so I’m going to push the analogy. I was 26 in 2000. I hope to God I’m not the same person at 49 after 6 jobs, one failed marriage (and a 12 year current successful one), going through the real estate crash where I lost my shirt, etc. I really hope I’m not the same person I was in college in 1996

The tree remembers what the axe soon forgets. If you’re in a bar tomorrow and someone is picking a fight with you, and they say something that makes you realize that this person is someone you tormented, gloated over and whose life you tried to destroy. Do you think they’re not entitled to their rage? Do you think you should get a pass in life for wrecking other people’s childhoods without even an apology? Or do you…

Yes, because as a mature adult , I don’t still hold grudges about something that happened over 25 years ago.

Are you the type of person that still refuses to use Google services because they cancelled Google Reader over a decade ago?

And just like I had to learn to adapt and change my behavior after failure, so did MS when it lost out in mobile and was sued.

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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I’m about the same age as MS so I’m going to push the analogy. I was 26 in 2000. I hope to God I’m not the same person at 49 after 6 jobs, one failed marriage (and a 12 year current successful one), going through the real estate crash where I lost my shirt, etc. I really hope I’m not the same person I was in college in 1996

Ah yes the “it will be different this time I promise” defense. Microsoft didn’t get divorced or have six jobs or even study ethics as an undergrad. It’s a corporation. Made up of the same kind of people at the same points in their careers as it has always been. In other words I get older but Microsoft stays the same age.

You really haven’t been paying attention to the change in strategy over the past decade when Microsoft was focused on “Windows everywhere”?

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Of course someone who is gaining financially from MS is going to take this position. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it."

My salary doesn’t depend on it, it’s just in my portfolio. I’m just not an idiot… I do consulting and bill upwards of 300/hr worked in the DC area, with several decades of experience and a network built up along the way. I took this position thirty years ago too, my mind hasn’t changed except that young people feel like they’re clever or somehow intellectually valid for copy pasting a quote into a web forum.

Your continued series of replies seem to do nothing to bolster your argument about Microsoft.

But at the same you elaborate in great (and unnecessary) detail about the level of success you have attained.

BTW: I am hardly young. I am nearly ancient.

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