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OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit
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Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit
#252Earlier quoted context omitted.
OpenAI, if successful, will likely become the most valuable company in the history of the planet, both past and future.
Really? I see a lot of competition in the space. I think they’d have to become significantly more successful than their competitors (some of which are massive AI powerhouses themselves) to achieve the market dominance necessary.
I think what GP is saying is that success of OpenAI means making a lot of profit, and then triggering the AI apocalypse - which is how they become most valuable company in history both past and future.
Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit
#253Earlier quoted context omitted.
To quote Spaceballs, they're not doing it for money, they're doing it for a shitload of money.
OpenAI, if successful, will likely become the most valuable company in the history of the planet, both past and future.
It’s just an autocomplete engine. Someone else will achieve AGI and OpenAI falls apart very quickly when that occurs.
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#254I like that the corporate bullshit just keeps getting more. Google’s “don’t be evil” is many steps down from openai having open in their name. They should be called Open AI with ( not open) in small print. I argue a lot over “open source” software with non-OSI license and sometimes worry if I’m too pedantic. But I think it’s important to use terms accurately and not to confuse reality more than it already is by calli…
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#255There are many that are looking for AI to be an escape from all of humanities flaws. We can't ignore the feedback loop in the creation of AI.
Essentially, we just end up encoding all of our flaws back into the machine one way or another.
This is the argument I laid out in the Bias Paradox.
Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit
#256Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm curious as to what you mean by scorched Earth. Literally the fact that we are burning up our atmosphere, or something else? That said, I'll root for nature batting last before I root for the hellscape people unleash for economic incentives . What needs to be understood is that this sort of technology is not an equalizer, regardless of the PR behind having your own personal Einstein/secretary at your beck and call…
> become more and more restrictive as time goes on, despite the capabilities of such computers increasing regularly True, and it is to be expected that existing interests will seek to integrate any new tricks into the old patterns The question is to what extend this can go on without imploding. How big the mismatch between what you could do with a mobile or a desktop or a decentralized cluster of millions of computer…
"Our scientific power outmatches our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men." - MLK
I fully agree. It's been said to death that AI will radically transform everything about the world. In the first case, the implicit assumption is everything except how the economy works at a fundamental level, which doesn't really jive with all the other things it's expected to transform.
In the second case, AI control problem aside, we have a human control problem that none of our technological advancements have ever solved, and in fact only exacerbated. Billionaires can hoard wealth in ways and places normal people can't; despite all the billions lying around and plenty of real problems to solve (hunger, sanitation, the death of the biosphere, the toxic "externalities" of the economy), vanity projects, personal philanthropies, and moar tech is seen as the solution, always.
I don't trust machines to shape people for the better when the last decade has shown just how Big Tech will co-opt our psychology for money. We need to rethink if progress for progress' sake is worth the carnage it causes, if eternal unchecked ambition is psychologically pathogenic, and if anything can build a "better world" when promises of ample leisure have rung hollow since the industrial revolution.
Stuck between a rock and a hard place, I have to root for severe climate disruption to put a hard limit on the insanities of industry before they drive us over a completely different kind of cliff.
Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit
#257Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think they impact each other, I thought it was weird elon was taking random swipes at openai, but when I searched his Twitter for openai, the collection of tweets made it clear, interestingly for the same reason the article states (I tend to agree with Elon and the article). In other news, imo, if a startup doing society altering work per the article is going to be closed, at least, imo, the people working th…
okay, I do see what you're saying now you explain it, but can you see how your original comment can appear more like "I find Elon criticising OpenAI weird: OpenAI is fine because these two guys I know [/of] are at the helm"
Yeah, it was a confusing post, my bad! I edited it like 5 times as I learned more about the situation and it became somewhat nonsensical, heh. :)
Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit
#258Was OpenAI ever a non-profit? From my understanding, it was a capped for-profit company. They had a cutoff for how much they could make but that does not make them a non-profit.
Have they reached that cap yet? I highly doubt, if anything they are still well in the negative.
Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit
#259Well, Eliezer thinks it's better for it to be closed source: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/Aq82XqYhgqdPdPrBA/full-trans... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34969892
Yudkowsky is one of those people who is all IQ and no judgement. He rationalizes on top of what is basically a fear of the dark, and unfortunately does it well enough to persuade himself and a great number of other people.
A good corrective exercise is to go back and look at his early writing, and evaluate how well his judgement looks in hindsight. My favorite is the idea that XML programming languages were the future, but really, pick your poison.
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