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GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Somewhat ironic that a company that’s entire existence was based on the idea of giving developers great tools no longer values giving its own developers great tools. Only a matter of time before this new attitude towards developers shows up in the product.

Are there any examples of Github allowing its employees to use a competitor's tool when they had their own in-house tools?

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

#252
post #225

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I'm using a 2017 2.3ghz i5 with 16gbs of ram. I'm in 7 different teams and have over over 15 pinned chats and IM's. The only delay I see is when comparing desktop app to the mobile app. Even video chats are bearable and work fine with even background effects turned on.

So not on a mac then? Because only 1 mac was ever released with an i5, and it wasn't out in 2017.

The iMac18,1 (MMQA2LL/A) and MacBookPro14,1 (MPXT2LL/A) would like a word.

https://www.sellyourmac.com/mac-product-guides/imac/mmqa2ll-...

https://www.sellyourmac.com/mac-product-guides/macbook-pro/m...

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

#254

Teams is so horrific we banned it. If you force us to use teams you'll have to find another supplier. Seriously, it is incomprehensible that Microsoft would ship something so utterly broken. I know they don't have a reputation for writing good software but Teams is on another level, and I don't mean that in a positive way. I've really tried to get it to work but it is so messed up that I don't think it can be done. M…

Part of the reason is that when Teams (or any Microsoft product) has issues, people blame Microsoft.

When any other product has issues, they blame whoever made the decision to use that product.

When IT people pick Microsoft, it's not an optimization for quality. It's an optimization for liability. Nobody was ever fired for picking Microsoft.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

#256
post #219

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Your definition of broken is likely different than the GP.

Pretty sure the GP definition of broke is not really what broke means. I know it is all the rage these days to just redefine terms to make them often mean the exact opposite of what the rest of the planet understands them to mean But we have to have shared definitions for words or communications just breaks down It can not be "your definition of broke is different from mine" if that is the case then language is just…

Do you realize I'm the idiot that came up with live video in the browser to begin with?

When I say it is broken I'm pretty serious about it: we spent a full day because there was one customer that positively insisted that we had to use their Teams setup rather than what we normally use and in the end we just gave up, it isn't worth the stress to me if there is a viable alternative (or even several). But of course if you think that I'm redefining the meaning of the word 'broken' just for the heck of it then you're free to continue to do so.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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post #246

Teams is so horrific we banned it. If you force us to use teams you'll have to find another supplier. Seriously, it is incomprehensible that Microsoft would ship something so utterly broken. I know they don't have a reputation for writing good software but Teams is on another level, and I don't mean that in a positive way. I've really tried to get it to work but it is so messed up that I don't think it can be done. M…

My team had a meeting with Github sales and product a few weeks back. After I secured a booking of the special Teams-capable meeting room and arrived 10 minutes early to make sure everything was set up in time, we spent the first 10 minutes of the 30 minute meeting with 2 people from Github unable to join. At that point I generated a Google meet link, put it in the email thread and we were up and running a minute lat…

Ah good point, yes, framerate can be an issue, but I've long ago decided to not worry too much about the video but to concentrate on the audio instead, I have a much lower tolerance for audio drop-outs than for video issues.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

#259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Broken means "doesn't work". I've used Teams for 2 years now for conferencing, chat, desktop sharing, etc. It works just fine. I think a lot of Microsoft hate is clouding judgement here. People want Teams to suck.

I simply can not get it to work. Note that we are on Linux/Chromebooks depending on the person in the team and this alone seems to be a major barrier for something that should be a non-issue. Every two bit video chat site in the world seems to have this figured out.

>>I simply can not get it to work.

Seems like that is something you should have stated in the first comment.

>>Linux/Chromebooks depending on the person in the team and this alone seems to be a major barrier

Something like les than 1% of the world uses Linux on the desktop. Dont get me wrong I love Linux, I used it as my primary desktop from 2005 until around 2012 when I went back to Windows (windows 10)

But calling problems on linux a "major issue" seems to over state the usage of Linux Desktop

further depending on when you tried it, and what client you were using that is likely the root cause

The Linux Desktop client always sucked, so much is no longer a thing, 100% a web app now. The web App teams should work just fine.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

#260
Wow, that would be enough for me to resign a position at Github. Teams is some seriously low-grade dog food. I always buy my dog food that I could stomach eating myself. Taking the metaphor further than I ought to -- Microsoft ought to be reported for animal abuse.
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