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Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by fosk »

wiremine wrote: post #232

I agree this is bland corporate speak. But it reminded me of a question that's been floating around: A number of pundits, here on HN and elsewhere, keep referring to these large language models are "google killers." This just doesn't make sense to me. It feels like Google can easily pivot its ad engine to work with the AI-driven chat systems. It can augment answers with links to additional sources of information, be…

That’s because you are trying to have a nuanced conversation about this, but “hot takes” are the most valuable currency on social media these days.

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Post by hintymad »

> Soon, you’ll see AI-powered features in Search

I was wondering who is the audience of this article. Hasn't Google search been powered by numerous machine learning algorithms for years? Another thing I don't understand is that why Google's product strategy is like Baidu's: AI First. I mention Baidu because they are infamous for not having a product vision. Since when a technology itself could be a product strategy? Information at your finger tips is a product strategy. Organizing the world's information is a product strategy. AI is just a means to many ends, right?

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Post by adrianmonk »

andrewstuart wrote: post #60

Lotus 123, Borland and Wordperfect were at the top of the software world. They failed to make the transition to GUIs/Windows. Microsoft missed the arrival of the web. Microsoft also missed the mobile revolution and ended up with zero mobile operating system market share. Internet Explorer, having vanquished Netscape, declared "job done" and stopped developing the web browser further, only to be cast to irrelevance fo…

> Microsoft also missed the mobile revolution and ended up with zero mobile operating system market share.

OTOH, Google got scooped when in January 2007, Apple changed computing by launching the iPhone.

But, though it had not been announced, Google already had the Android project in progress, which pivoted to a more iPhone-like concept (full-device touchscreen, no keyboard) and ended up doing OK in the market.

Presumably you can see the parallel I'm trying to make with today's situation. Obviously it doesn't prove anything, but if we're looking at past history as a guide, this is something that also happened.

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Post by mrbungie »

brap wrote: post #206

I’m curious to hear why Google isn’t going to win in this AI arms race. The way I see it, Google: * is effectively the gateway to the internet, owning the most popular website in the world, mobile OS, and browser * has infinite LIVE data, both unstructured and structured (knowledge graph) * has infinite compute resources * employs the world’s best AI scientists and invests heavily in AI * has decade(s) of experience…

Ozymandias. There have been large and powerful corporations (with supposedly """infinite""" resources) like the East India Company that eventually transformed into no more than dust and rubble.

I think the same is going to happen with Google (in due time, maybe 100 years), mainly because its product management is completely out of focus due to mismanagement and lack of a proper incentive structure.

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Post by jpeter »

brap wrote: post #206

I’m curious to hear why Google isn’t going to win in this AI arms race. The way I see it, Google: * is effectively the gateway to the internet, owning the most popular website in the world, mobile OS, and browser * has infinite LIVE data, both unstructured and structured (knowledge graph) * has infinite compute resources * employs the world’s best AI scientists and invests heavily in AI * has decade(s) of experience…

Because they are to scared to release a public version of their AI

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Post by xnx »

frozenlettuce wrote: post #144

I'm still waiting for their appointment registering AI that they promised 5 years ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBVCFcEBKLM Instead, we got some souless corporate-speak PR spam - and I'm sure that if I type "create a product release text for a new AI product" on ChatGPT I will surely get something better. Compared with the comic that introduced Chrome, this feels like another company - well, sadly, it is indeed…

Google Duplex: https://9to5google.com/2022/12/03/google-duplex-web-shutting...

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Post by lstodd »

asim wrote: post #224

People forget that Larry Page's ultimate goal was to have Google predict what you wanted before you even asked for it. This isn't about hype. This isn't about beating the competition. This is about delivering on a 3 decade dream that's now coming to fruition and Sundar just happens to be the one leading the org as it manifests in the real world. We're going to end up with 10+ vertically integrated AI solutions like t…

This "core inrastructure for the world" wıll also be maintained about as well as HVAC in the seminal film Brazil

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Post by lolinder »

enneff wrote: post #236
lolinder wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft's partnership with OpenAI is a years-long affair, not something they're just starting on now. Google should have seen this coming and been able to beat them to release, but they seem to have been caught off guard with some great research projects but no product.

Both companies have been doing AI work for a long time. Do you really think google is behind on AI here just because they haven’t released any products? What do they stand to gain by pushing out half-baked toys? They have nothing to prove.

Google isn't Apple. Google's strategy for the last 10 years at least has been to throw out half baked products and see what takes off. If they had anything usable, we would know by now.

And, on the contrary, Google has everything to prove. ChatGPT exploited a years-long dissatisfaction with Google search and has millions of people using it in lieu of Google's primary product. This is the most existential threat that Google has faced since its birth, and they are not handling it well.

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Post by topspin »

hintymad wrote: post #252

> Soon, you’ll see AI-powered features in Search I was wondering who is the audience of this article. Hasn't Google search been powered by numerous machine learning algorithms for years? Another thing I don't understand is that why Google's product strategy is like Baidu's: AI First. I mention Baidu because they are infamous for not having a product vision. Since when a technology itself could be a product strategy?…

> I was wondering who is the audience of this article.

Shareholders.

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Post by jklinger410 »

tonymet wrote: post #246

AI fact summarization like this will further obfuscate the facts from the summary. People already believe the top 3 posts from Google are the benchmark for truth. Now customers won't even see the sources (e.g. MSNBC, Wikipedia) of the "facts". Google is deliberately biasing results in the name of ML-fairness, which may be laudable. Now the bias will be even harder to distinguish from fact.

Just because AI will tell you answers does not mean it will do away with citation.
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