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AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Everybody seems up in arms about this situation, but I find the whole thing hilarious. After half a decade of AI hype without many uses in the wild, we finally live at a point in history where "AI-generated Jerry Seinfeld makes transphobic joke, gets cancelled" is not an Onion headline.

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“Cancel culture” will die when faith in the legal system is restored.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Interesting and a bit over the top IMO but it would be interesting if one could train the bot to be ToS safe. A lot of shows from the 90s would violate those Twitch ToS IMO ignoring the copyright part. Thinking of "Married with Children" and the enormous amount of fat shaming and sexism.

I thought the same about Friends with their cringy homophobia.

Loved the show back in the day and feel weird now not having picked up on that back then.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Chapelle is rolling in Netflix money and won a Grammy last night. By what metric is he "cancelled" other than "some people called him bad names"?

So, what you're telling me, is that millionaires get to make transphobic jokes all they want, because they are immune to cancellation because of their bank account. Fun.

No one is stopping you from making transphobic jokes it you want to.

You're not entitled to have anyone listen to you, or like you, or give you any money for it, but you can totally do it.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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I agree, but it’s ambiguous enough to be poor taste and feel uncomfortable. My first instinct is that Twitch is overreacting, but I can see why they need to be pretty draconian to avoid endless boundary-pushing from jerks.

Artists are what we call the people who push against the boundaries of majority group-speak and government mandated thinking.

So the homeless guy yelling racial slurs at non-white drivers every day on my way to work is an artist? I guess I hadn’t thought about it that way.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Nobody is forced to work on anything. If you choose to work for a public platform, that should not automatically grant you authority to dictate what goes on it based on your own sensibilities.

What? Are saying that the management at a public platform has an obligation to ignore what their employees want? That doesn’t sound great for retention. Or culture in general.

uhhh, yes. Are you serious? That's not how companies work. A company is not there to cater to all the whims of employees, if it were, all profits would simply go to employee salaries.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Uncharacteristically off-topic comment from me, I guess, but when do humans get to a point where we no longer have to appeal to the lowest common denominator? How are our relationships supposed to improve if we dub anything that makes us uncomfortable as "taboo" and steer clear of it? I get that on the Internet there is a lot of anonymity (though less than there used to be) that folks tend to abuse, but at the same t…

It's weird to talk about missing an element of human empathy regarding the topic of trans individuals, whose very existence is unacceptable to a broad swath of the population. 40% of transgender people have attempted suicide. The public dialogue around trans lives is one of very little empathy, respect, or civility. People are on this thread casually debating whether this joke "went to far" or not, while the people w…

Most of humanity's best art, literature, music, and comedy is about people experiencing trauma. Being able to joke amidst suffering is the very thing that makes us human. It's also a critical part of empathy itself.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Drastic is relative to the expected impact of the application. There isn't much worse that can possibly happen to a bot-generated stream than having the stream taken down by the powers-that-be.

This is like saying that having something taken down by a mod on reddit is a "drastic consequence". I mean, sure...the content is removed, but in most cases, the reason for the action is subjective and somewhat arbitrary. To me, this is less a commentary on AI than on the absurd sensitivities of community moderation.

"Website makes moderation decision some people disagree with" is a lot less novel or interesting.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Getting cancelled means you win a Grammy. Getting cancelled means you sell out Madison Square Garden. Getting cancelled is being called names. Boohoo.

Being successful despite people calling you some vile shit because of who you are and what you believe absolves the people calling you vile shit from any responsibility. Yes, indeed.

So if I understand you correctly, what you're really pissed off about is that no one will pay you money to make transphobic statements?

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Interesting and a bit over the top IMO but it would be interesting if one could train the bot to be ToS safe. A lot of shows from the 90s would violate those Twitch ToS IMO ignoring the copyright part. Thinking of "Married with Children" and the enormous amount of fat shaming and sexism.

Humans can barely keep up with the ever-evolving moving goal posts. AI will have even more of a difficult time.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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I always have to look up if it was Socrates or Plato who got sentenced to death for simultaneously being an atheist and worshiping new gods his city didn't recognise. Point is, you may not like it, but merely being cancelled rather than straight up executed is why we live in the good times. (And whatever the merits and demerits of unrestricted free speech, a machine that isn't deemed capable of personhood shouldn't g…

> Point is, you may not like it, but merely being cancelled rather than straight up executed is why we live in the good times.

Yeah, but we lived in (slightly) better times a decade ago.

This reminds me of the discourse around crime rates. People who want to downplay the soaring crime rates tell us that we have nothing to be upset about--sure, homicides are up 70% on the decade, but if you zoom out to the 90s, homicides are actually DOWN--reversing 20 years of progress is nothing to worry about!

IMHO, these sort of "if you go back far enough, things were worse" arguments are generic arguments against progress.

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