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Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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I'm pretty sure I've been existing in a number of counter-cultures for the last decade or two. These have been either linked to my identity or physical location, I couldn't have properly experienced them through consuming media on the subject. Certainly all required an active choice and/or lifestyle change on my part. Maybe people mean something else by counter-culture, but here are examples from my life: - Freelanci…

All those are safe hipster options these days...

Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Changing the colour of your logo on a certain date is not really "supporting". Corps gonna corp and if changing the logo and publishing some nice post brings more money, they'll do it. (While donating to Republicans at the same time)

But what you're describing is exactly where "counterculture" flips over to "culture". It may have been counterculture at one point, but once it's grabbed up by the mainstream canon, it is no longer counterculture. This is an important element of "cool", which is essentially the ebb-and-flow of ideas between counterculture and mainstream culture.

SMBC kind-of predicted this nine years ago: https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2014-01-23

Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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I'm pretty sure I've been existing in a number of counter-cultures for the last decade or two. These have been either linked to my identity or physical location, I couldn't have properly experienced them through consuming media on the subject. Certainly all required an active choice and/or lifestyle change on my part. Maybe people mean something else by counter-culture, but here are examples from my life: - Freelanci…

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Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Pretty sure BLM was a media darling from the moment it was discovered. Maybe I have a weird media bubble, but the content I saw was endlessly pro-BLM (even contortions such as the memorable CNN reporter wearing a gas mask against a burning Kenosha with the caption “fiery but mostly peaceful protests”) for most of the last decade. I can’t think of a way that BLM was ever counter-cultural.

> I can’t think of a way that BLM was ever counter-cultural. Fighting the police is about as counter as you can get.

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Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Juggalos and your immediate, visceral reaction to that word proves their counter-cultural legitimacy. both articles seem to be under the assumption that a counter-culture must "break through" and have impact on the mainstream, but that's completely contrary to the existences of counter-cultures-- they reject mainstream culture and in fact "breaking through" to the mainstream represents the death of the counter-culture.

Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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I’m 37 so we’re pretty much the same cohort. And I’ve also reached that conclusion - I get out of the city and ski and hike, spend time with SO, etc. I won’t be dragged into the bullshit doomerism and constant shifting existential crises that online and west coasters seem to be addicted to. However, my daily commutes through seattle runs me right into the Pioneer square station and I swear it’s like something from “t…

> I won’t be dragged into the bullshit doomerism and constant shifting existential crises that online and west coasters seem to be addicted to. The thing that's interesting about this is that human beings in acute distress are less adept at planning ahead and being creative. Which means that people in the doom cycle can't start building new institutions to challenge the old ones that are decaying and pillaging. The p…

You may be right about the suburban areas, I just don't know. I haven't lived there since I was a kid.

The area around Pioneer square is all boarded up now, even the court house! During the summer/fall it was much worse with indigent drug use and florid psychotics but now that it's cold and wet there's less. The station is still used as a toilet though.

Funny enough the stairs at exit A in Pioneer Square have inscribed on them as you walk up "Why are you not afraid?". And I always say to myself, "I fuckin am!"

Seattle needs some chemotherapy but that would require its citizens to recognize they have a disease and actually seek treatment. Instead they put on their airpods and stare at their phones and completely live in a parallel reality.

Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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It’s certainly not what I’m looking for, but BLM was obviously about purported racial inequality with respect to police killings or else Daniel Shaver, Tony Timpa, Justine Damond, etc would be among the Names that we’re told to Say.

So it's not monolithic, I've definitely been at "BLM"-y protests against police violence where non-Black victims were mentioned. As far as actual policy changes we might want to advocate for or support, does it make any difference? I guess it would mean that "diversity training" for cops is not the way to go -- I agree and I think most BLM organizers would too (the ones I know anyway do). Instead ways that increase p…

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Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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That data generally agrees with victim surveys about the race of offenders of violent crimes. It stands to reason that a group with a larger share of violent criminals is also going to have more police killings. Is there any data that contradict these? Is there any plausible theory about why victims might conspire with police to make it appear as though black Americans collectively overcommit violent crimes?

At first, I typed out a more long-winded reply about why one can't conflate the self-report statistics of victims with the motivations of police in violent skirmishes, but I've been reflecting a lot lately on choosing my battles. The "but black people are more likely to be violent criminals" rebuttal is a despicable one, and if you can't see the absence of causal links that you're deliberately hopping over in an atte…

It’s only appears to be despicable to people who don’t understand statistics on a basic level (which, sadly, describes most Americans, even educated ones) or ardent racists who believe that “the race” supersedes “the individual”.

Notably, we can correctly observe that black people commit more violent crimes per capita than other races without implying any of the following:

1. black people are biologically disposed to crime

2. a significant percentage of black people are criminals

3. any given black person significantly more likely to be a criminal than any given non-black person

I definitely think your decision to pick your battles more carefully is the right one, and I encourage you to be even more judicious.

Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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I'm pretty sure I've been existing in a number of counter-cultures for the last decade or two. These have been either linked to my identity or physical location, I couldn't have properly experienced them through consuming media on the subject. Certainly all required an active choice and/or lifestyle change on my part. Maybe people mean something else by counter-culture, but here are examples from my life: - Freelanci…

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