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Is remote work bad for the economy?

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Re: Is remote work bad for the economy?

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> Otherwise, why not increase the GDP and economy, by periodically just breaking every window? Starting wars to fuel arms industry worked just fine so far.

The distinction is breaking someone else’s windows. Plus you need to win, not just start the war, and extract some resources from the someone else.

That's why wars that don't involve the US are a cash cow. Just sell them weapons! Ez money

Re: Is remote work bad for the economy?

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> Otherwise, why not increase the GDP and economy, by periodically just breaking every window? Starting wars to fuel arms industry worked just fine so far.

The war in afghanistan (and to a degree, iraq 2nd invasion) was largely a waste, but these are not the same as the broken window fallacy.

Waste? Depends who you ask. All of the counties around Washington DC are the richest in the US. Like, literally, search for "richest counties in the US" and notice how many DC 'burbs are in the top 10 (and top 20).

But as mentioned that's the taxpayer getting fleeced, not the broken window fallacy.

Re: Is remote work bad for the economy?

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> better alternative would be to have your own chosen days off. Sure, I'll just let my dog sit for 10 hours straight on those other days. It might be a better alternative for YOU, but I doubt it's true for most peole who want fully remote work. > It is proving insanely hard getting in contact with folk. (...) Trying to find someone to give me basic mentoring, even trying to understand the hierarchy. Sounds like a com…

And there the typical 35 year aggressive attitude I have to deal with daily. Your joking right in thinking that no communication is loss via email? Team, zoom meetings take away facial expressions and as someone with social blindness it makes my job harder to engage. Why so hostile? As from what I see the culture here, the prosperity that they give has been one of the I best fitted environments I've worked in. Very s…

> And there the typical 35 year aggressive attitude I have to deal with daily.

I'm actually 29 but sure.

> Your joking right in thinking that no communication is loss via email?

I would argue that more details are actually _preserved_ when communicating via email rather than face to face. If you cannot properly communicate via written text then yeah, of course any kind of written channel will be worse. I actually like to have everything written down, I can refer to it at any point in the future and if I need someone's immediate attention I simply call. Also f*k emails, that needs to die. There's a reason we have multitudes of different kinds of software for project management, using email to discuss important details is counter productive and obscures information from people who aren't invloved at the time.

> Team, zoom meetings take away facial expressions and as someone with social blindness it makes my job harder to engage. Why so hostile?

But that is again, a YOU issue. I might come off as hostile because stating something that is true to you as a universal truth - that hybrid work environment is better, annoys me a lot and I'm arguing that it's not. It might be better for YOU, but not for everyone, especially not for people who actually want to be full remote.

> I want to come home and know for certain there is no essence of work present.

I work from my bedroom and my work does not interweave with my personal life whatsoever. Your point of view reeks of opinions of someone who needs the office to be productive and was forced to work from home and can't handle it. It's perfectly fine, I know people like that too, but stating that wfh bad, we need the office is... really one sided.

> Its always "WFH is amazing" when no one takes in to account that it doesn't work for others.

But everyone does take it into account. I don't think I've seen a single comment here that said 'everyone should work from home just because I say so'. Let people be fully remote, let people go to the office if they want to. I can guarantee you that majority of people won't though.

> I'm a SysAdmin and like being on premises of the hardware

Again, that's great, go to the office then? Did I ever write anywhere that you shouldn't be able to? I work with people who meet regularly in the office 8 hour drive away from me and yet I don't feel excluded at all.

Re: Is remote work bad for the economy?

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This is a scorching-hot take. Would you care to elaborate?

That's easy. We work to get stuff. The better the economy, the more stuff we get for less work input. The ideal that we're slowly getting asymptotically closer to is a world where we get everything for no work at all.

Couldn't have put it better myself. Of course with the caveat that "work" in this context means the labour we have to do to support our way of life, not the work we do for pleasure. These do and should intersect (as much as possible).

Re: Is remote work bad for the economy?

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Heard the "but what will restaurants in the city centre do?" argument while discussing with a local politician. I argued that this way maybe restaurants, grocery shops and other activities can flourish back in small towns that are now relegated as dormitory. Three months later, the same administration sent out a package against the depopulation of small towns (we live in the Alps so that's a real issue) This is the s…

I’ve increasingly been thinking of this similarly to technical debt where city planners made decisions for a long time which weren’t inherently bad but made things less robust against a shock. Having your downtown focused on, say, financial companies is great (tons of taxes, minimal pollution, etc.) until the office workers can stay home and there’s nobody else filling in their shopping or dining.

Cities have many innate advantages so long-term I’m not expecting disaster but it’s happening almost everywhere at the same time, and we have a bigger problem looming in climate change. That’s going to be more permanently disruptive but it’ll work in favor of cities’ lower environmental footprint if the leaders don’t screw up the transition.

Re: Is remote work bad for the economy?

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>would kill such a a program in the crib. Did I miss something in the comment you're replying to or do I need to read the article? 1500 is a small town for sure. I'd consider 12k to be a small town as well. 1500 is way bigger than the town my dad is from. There's about 100 people there now. Your small town is huge compared to that. He sometimes talks about being on the highschool football team at the school shared by…

1500 sounds like a village.

Yeah. I agree, but I don't think that population_exporter provides that metric. (at least not in the US)

Re: Is remote work bad for the economy?

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$15 USD for a meal at a business in the business of selling food? Your local cost of living must be insane! I think you'd be hard-pressed to spend much more than $5 USD for a meal at a food business around here. In these parts, I can go to a restaurant in the business of selling an experience, with nice ambiance, a server who will wait on you hand and foot like you are some kind of king, etc. and can have nearly anyt…

Are you referring to fast food when you say that $5 USD is a meal?

yeah, i would like an example of a meal for $5 from a restaurant of any kind. A meal for < $10 is quite rare even for fast food, a slice of pizza and a coke from 7/11 is pushing $10.

Re: Is remote work bad for the economy?

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>would kill such a a program in the crib. Did I miss something in the comment you're replying to or do I need to read the article? 1500 is a small town for sure. I'd consider 12k to be a small town as well. 1500 is way bigger than the town my dad is from. There's about 100 people there now. Your small town is huge compared to that. He sometimes talks about being on the highschool football team at the school shared by…

1500 sounds like a village.

Apparently, 5000 is a common lower bound for what constitutes a "town". But then again, I have friends who live in smaller towns than that, and they might feel a bit insulted if I said they live in a "village".

Re: Is remote work bad for the economy?

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Most small towns where remote workers might settle are not driven by agriculture. Agriculture matters, but we don't live in an economy where everything outside of metro areas is just farms as far as the eye can see.

I'm not saying it's only agriculture, but rural areas give much more to urban areas than they receive back, evident by the massive waste and corruption within the cities and the throngs of people being sustained in the cities without producing anything of value or anything at all. In the past you could certainly say that urban areas give back just as much or even more, when factories where concentrated in cities. Tod…

That’s not evident at all, just your biases talking LOUD.
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