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Re: System76 AMD-Only Laptop Returns

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Post by Dylan16807 »

mmis1000 wrote: post #249
Dylan16807 wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have screens running at both 60Hz and 120Hz right now. For mousing, I can see it but I don't care. I even used my main screen at 30Hz for a while, and mousing was fine. For scrolling, I scroll at the click rate of my mouse wheel, which is usually 6-20. With no smoothing applied, because I don't want it, scrolling looks the same on both screens. It's really only games where I care. So don't be so sure about how univ…

> I can see it but I don't care. Then you are still able to know the difference since then. You just don't care about it in that use case. (Neither do I. My second monitor is 60fps, and watching video or developing web page on it are totally fine to me) The argument `people won't be able to tell the difference about 60fps and 120fps` only makes sense if you don't have experience about using a high refresh rate monito…

But your argument was "after you do it once, there is no way to go back".

Unless "go back" was "not know there is a difference, unrelated to whether you care"?

Because in the comparison to high resolution, I would never want to go back to 1080p. But refresh rate is whatever to me outside of games.

Re: System76 AMD-Only Laptop Returns

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Post by Beltalowda »

thrtythreeforty wrote: post #246
Fnoord wrote: post #243

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No magsafe. 5 years of updates is lower than macOS (I am on 7 on my MBP 2015). The recent MBPs sport 5 nm ARM and MiniLED display. Looks like they do a lot of things right though.

Magsafe is patented and will be for a while. Don't hold out too much hope.

Looks like it will expire in 2025, so not too long.

Re: System76 AMD-Only Laptop Returns

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Post by haspok »

yoyohello13 wrote: post #15
driverdan wrote: post #6

Still only 1920x1080. Come on, give us decent resolution screens already!

Honestly, the difference between 1080p and 1440p on a 14in screen is barely perceptible to me. I'd rather have the extra battery life.

But this is not a 14" screen...

> Display 15.6″ 1920×1080 FHD, Matte Finish, 144 Hz

Re: System76 AMD-Only Laptop Returns

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Post by dietr1ch »

Beltalowda wrote: post #252
thrtythreeforty wrote: post #246

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Magsafe is patented and will be for a while. Don't hold out too much hope.

Looks like it will expire in 2025, so not too long.

Patents are too damn long in tech. I wish USB-C had shorter magnetic connectors

Re: System76 AMD-Only Laptop Returns

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Post by akvadrako »

tormeh wrote: post #192
INTPenis wrote: post #187

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It might seem like nitpicking but I'm actually on your side here, as a consumer. It's been a struggle to find a 1440 AMD laptop, I have one that I'm happy with for travel. (Lenovo Yoga Slim 7 Carbon Gen 6) I also don't want it to be too big, for travel, so numpad is out for me. The Slim 7 feels like a toy, but it's actually just very, very light, and made of plastic. It creeks, yes, but it's very, very light. This is…

Tuxedo Computers sells the Pulse 15 with a centered keyboard, 1440p 165Hz screen, and AMD CPU+iGPU. Pretty nice laptop, except the integrated microphone is a bit shit.

These are also Clevo rebrands and I find mostly pretty poor user reviews.

Re: System76 AMD-Only Laptop Returns

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Post by lhl »

Fnoord wrote: post #243
lhl wrote: post #198

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Star Labs is making what you're looking for with their StarFighter laptop, although you'll be paying MacBook Pro like pricing for it (and delivery would be in March at the earliest): https://us.starlabs.systems/pages/starfighter

No magsafe. 5 years of updates is lower than macOS (I am on 7 on my MBP 2015). The recent MBPs sport 5 nm ARM and MiniLED display. Looks like they do a lot of things right though.

The MBP is designed and manufactured by the richest company in the world. You'd expect their quality and polish to be better - and on the hardware side it is. On the flip side, the OS/software seems to get worse with each release, markup on storage and memory are absurd and you aren't able to upgrade or repair any components, and you trade any quality of life wins with ever-increasing anti-consumer lock-in/policies... So the trade-off is up to you.

Re: System76 AMD-Only Laptop Returns

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Post by lhl »

doublepg23 wrote: post #205
deaddodo wrote: post #181

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I mean, it wouldn't even be hard for them to partner with someone like ASUS, Acer, etc to produce semi-custom hardware. The strict Clevo-based hardware will always turn me away from buying from them when I can get multiple AMD 6000-based laptops from Asus that run Linux fine (after a wifi-card swap, the MediaTek's they use are useless); and have superior build qualities.

They did partner with HP I think.

The HP Dev One is what you're thinking of: https://hpdevone.com/ - it's a well reviewed developer laptop that comes w/ Pop!_OS preloaded and is very reasonably price - Ryzen 5850U (Zen3) - basically a rejiggered EliteBook 845 G8 w/ full Linux support (System76 has a repo w/ hardware support that can be used for fan speed and additional battery info: https://github.com/pop-os/hp-vendor). It's US-only and uses a SureView display (but has a 30-day return policy), so worth checking out for anyone in the market I think...

Re: System76 AMD-Only Laptop Returns

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Post by lhl »

deaddodo wrote: post #181
doublepg23 wrote: post #163

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I’m holding out hope on System76 designing truly custom hardware and we reach the fabled “MacBook of Linux” someday. As of now their Clevo rebadges don’t appeal to me, though their “custom” desktops do.

I mean, it wouldn't even be hard for them to partner with someone like ASUS, Acer, etc to produce semi-custom hardware. The strict Clevo-based hardware will always turn me away from buying from them when I can get multiple AMD 6000-based laptops from Asus that run Linux fine (after a wifi-card swap, the MediaTek's they use are useless); and have superior build qualities.

A word of warning for Asus laptops, while the asus-linux.org has being doing great work (and the G14s are known to work well), I was never able to get suspend working properly on a 2021 M16. And if anyone's trying to get a Ryzen 6000 ultralight like the Zenbook S 13 working, I think they're going to be in for a battle...

* https://zentalk.asus.com/t5/zenbook/linux-on-zenbook-s-13-ol...

* https://zentalk.asus.com/t5/zenbook/linux-support-on-zenbook...

* https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxhardware/comments/yk8nmk/asus_...

Most laptop brands work with/own various ODMs - instead of OEM brands like Asus, Acer, think ODMs like Pegatron, Wistron, Iventec, Compal, Quanta, Clevo, etc - these companies co-design/manufacture laptops for almost all the major OEMs, but most do exclusive designs and niche brands like System76 are probably too low volume to be able to get priority/afford custom design w/ most of the Tier 1 ODMs, hence the prevalence of "white label" friendly ODM designs.

Re: System76 AMD-Only Laptop Returns

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Post by selfhoster11 »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #237
mmis1000 wrote: post #210

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If you haven't used high refresh monitor. You probably won't notice the difference. But after you do it once, there is no way to go back. Just like high resolution monitors. Mouse and scrolling feels so much more smoother on a high refresh rate monitor. To the point if windows messed up the refresh rate, you can instantly feel it.

I have screens running at both 60Hz and 120Hz right now. For mousing, I can see it but I don't care. I even used my main screen at 30Hz for a while, and mousing was fine. For scrolling, I scroll at the click rate of my mouse wheel, which is usually 6-20. With no smoothing applied, because I don't want it, scrolling looks the same on both screens. It's really only games where I care. So don't be so sure about how univ…

I personally use smooth scrolling because I find no smoothing more confusing to use. So yeah, scrolling will look different for some people.

Re: System76 AMD-Only Laptop Returns

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Post by selfhoster11 »

kitsunesoba wrote: post #162
jesuscript wrote: post #92

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Why does 144hz matter to you if you aren't playing games? This is not a gaming machine. You absolutely will not notice the difference for non-gaming tasks between 60hz to 80hz/100hz/120hz/144hz/244hz.

Yeah, I jump between 60hz, 120hz, and 240hz screens several times a day and while the difference in smoothness is very visible, if I'm not gaming I forget about it very quickly. Personally for work machines I find high density (preferably integer scaling friendly) preferable over extra frames.

Seriously, if I could get a 21+ inch e-ink monitor even with a refresh rate on the order of 2 Hz, I'd still take it over a 144Hz @ 1080p. The added density and reduction of eye strain make it much more useful for textual work.
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