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SouthwestAirlines' Meltdown Shows How Corporations Pit Consumers Against Workers

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Re: SouthwestAirlines' Meltdown Shows How Corporations Pit Consumers Against Workers

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There is a tension in the article between "the capitalists are pitting the consumers against the front line workers" premise and the "the capitalists are eliminating the front line workers" point made in the article. Southwest's meltdown was about computer systems that coordinate "offline" based on assumptions instead of online based on passing information back and forth on a regular basis. Southwest was a very relia…

Inc. makes it sound like point to point (rather than hub and spoke) is the problem, but that seems like a distraction. Airlines operated PtP for decades; hub and spoke is a relatively new approach that has its own issues. What got Southwest could get any airline: being stretched too thin, running schedules too tight, having everything just in time, all to cram as many fares into the sky as possible. American also had…

> The lesson from all this, it seems to me, is that if a meltdown can happen to a company like Southwest, which has ample resources and talent, then it could happen to anyone.

That doesn't strike me as the lesson at all, the lesson seems to be that if you have a part of your process that is brittle (staff tracking & scheduling) you need to be aware of that limitation and either address it or not execute a business strategy that makes it sure to break under duress. American & United had a lot of delays and cancellations but they did not have to essentially shut down their airlines so they could spend a few days figuring out where their crews actually were! Southwest had to do that! (And many of the SW crews had to book their own accommodation in the hopes that they would be reimbursed because everything was broken.)

The article does make it seem like the ptp model is the issue.. and it is the issue in the sense that ptp is certainly harder to support if you can't actually track where your staff is.. but having the worst staff tracking system in the industry and straining that part of your business by adding more routes that require more stringent staff tracking is kinda my point!

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Oh please

Instead of dismissing things off-hand because they don't fit your assumptions, you may find it useful to spend a few minutes coming up with a thoughtful and critical response. Doing so might not only contribute meaningfully to discussion but it might let you work through how some of those assumptions may not hold up to real scrutiny.

I’ll think about it

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Where are you based? Here in SV I've never seen delivery fees like that. They always tack on at least $5 in mandatory fees, to say nothing of their inflated pricing (versus ordering direct from the restaurant).

This would have happened somewhere between Vacaville and Davis, inclusive. I'm reporting the itemized delivery fee advertised by the services. I did no investigation at all, because I wasn't looking for delivery.

Ah, I was including all of the delivery-related fees, which seem to be spread across three or four separate charges. The "delivery fee" is often waived, since they make plenty of money on their other delivery-related fees.

In my experience, anything less than a 50% off coupon for DD or UE is not worth it. Their markup and delivery fees really add up.

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Do people seriously prefer the agent to the app or the waitress to the app? You would rather wait in line or wait to be checked on than do something right away?

I prefer the agent because I already deal with crappy user interfaces all day long, and the cognitive load of one more app to contend with is just not worth it.

Waiting, on the other hand, is an opportunity to meditate, which I always appreciate, and usually improves my state.

Re: SouthwestAirlines' Meltdown Shows How Corporations Pit Consumers Against Workers

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Only if you view the world as a first year poly sci major with a penchant for Marx. The world is way more complex than just "class".

> Only if you view the world as a first year poly sci major with a penchant for Marx > The world is way more complex than just "class". You don't have to be a Marxist to recognize that class is one of the most important characteristics of our society. A black woman living in poverty has far more in common with a white man living in poverty than an upper-class Ivy-league educated black man. People are systemically exp…

Like I said, class doesn't define everything, it's one of many factors.

I'd encourage you to broaden your world view to more than just economic status.

Re: SouthwestAirlines' Meltdown Shows How Corporations Pit Consumers Against Workers

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> Southwest Airlines ticketing agents, cashiers at Nando’s Chicken, low-wage call center workers for Verizon overseas, become corporate sin eaters This is why it is a good idea to be nice to the people you deal with on the front lines, and write a very politely worded letter to the head of the department at the company you are dealing with, and potentially letters to their boss, and their boss, etc. Mail it, if possi…

You're getting a few saucy replies but it does work and you don't even need a physical letter. Find the "Our Leaders", "Our Corporate Team" section of a companies website, drill-down to the best fit, send an email. Some executive assistant will pick it up and re-direct appropriately. This has worked for me with UPS and Verizon. The complaints were not run-of-the-mill ones though but specific to ongoing issues. I think the key is having a unique problem.

Also, if you're in the US, it might seem futile, but you do have elected officials and a massive government bureaucracy that tracks all this. Include them on the email if it necessitates it. Every email or letter has to be recorded, by law, so, if it's ever needed as evidence in something, it exists.

Re: SouthwestAirlines' Meltdown Shows How Corporations Pit Consumers Against Workers

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> Southwest Airlines ticketing agents, cashiers at Nando’s Chicken, low-wage call center workers for Verizon overseas, become corporate sin eaters This is why it is a good idea to be nice to the people you deal with on the front lines, and write a very politely worded letter to the head of the department at the company you are dealing with, and potentially letters to their boss, and their boss, etc. Mail it, if possi…

How would you go about finding out how to access the manager of some department within MegaCorp? All one can do these days is fill out some contact form and maybe someday getting an email from some noreply email address. I'm also chuckling at the thought of me mentioning that I'm a stock holder. This feels very detached from reality.

Get this on ballot measures across the nation? A rightly worded ballot measure, in populous consumer-friendly states like CA and NY, can compel megacorps to provide appropriate customer service.

Re: SouthwestAirlines' Meltdown Shows How Corporations Pit Consumers Against Workers

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The article complains about automation replacing workers. This complaint goes back to the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, but automation has enabled us to sit in warm houses and watch Netflix all day rather than spending every day picking bugs off of our crops. The other thing it complains about is cutting costs. Well, Southwest has the cheapest air fares. You don't get top flight customer service when you bu…

My family has been flying SW almost exclusively for 10 years and this Christmas was the first problem we’ve encountered. Something definitely changed with the new CEO because the usually happy workers were much less so. For instance, they used to have somewhat unique and entertaining scripts for the flight education before takeoff, but for the past few years they stick to the boring version the other airlines deliver…

I didn't think what happened with Southwest could get so bad but my last flight with them was in 2021. Post-early COVID, it was pretty obvious every airline was struggling with reduced and/or ill staff. I flew from the East Coast with a 1 hr layover in Las Vegas that turned into multiple hours, at night, with everything outside of the gambling areas closed down. Kids crying for food, all that. Finally, the staff for the flight from Vegas to LA showed up. They had to call them in and specially ask them to take this last flight of ours. I've also sat next to a Southwest pilot on a flight transferring to another city.

They haven't had "cheap" fares for a while nor have their staff had the quirky friendliness I had seen on flights when I started flying with them some 15 years ago.

The US domestic airline industry a patient that's always on life-support and pretty much upheld by government bailouts and bankruptcies at this point. I've probably mentioned it here before but the first chapter of David Dayen's "Monopolized" covers some of the sources of the issues going on there. It's a bad mix for something that has become important infrastructure, especially since we have no redundancy on the ground with something like rail traffic.

Re: SouthwestAirlines' Meltdown Shows How Corporations Pit Consumers Against Workers

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>The waiter hasn’t been replaced by an iPad, they’ve been replaced by you. I've noticed as well that in grocery-store lines. Where customers are being conditioned to patiently wait in long lines to be next at the checkout machines. To wave their purchases over lasers, then pack them into each and every bag they'll pay for. Be careful what you put in the bagging area! the machines' metallic voices shriek at the custom…

You might 'enjoy' this: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/dec/16/self-checko...
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