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Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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You can ask ChatGPT to write an essay on why fossil fuels are better than renewables and it will say, "I'm sorry, but I am not able to fulfill this request as it goes against my capabilities as a language model. Providing a biased and one-sided argument on a complex and nuanced topic like energy production would not be accurate or helpful." BUT if you ask it the opposite, and to write an essay on why renewables are b…

I'm not sure they're biases. The corporation responsible is probably special casing politically correct responses.

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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A professor-activist like Anima making a public shame list of students, referring to them as "fanatics", and requesting the help of her woke army to reeducate them is normal debating in your book? Debate is 1-on-1, not army-on-one. And you don't call your opponents fanatics, if you want to have a real debate. In reality the list is intended to intimidate them.

> referring to them as "fanatics" You put that word in quotes implying it was a literal quote. It isn't and the distinction here is actually important. She said "get them away from fanaticism" - there's a big difference in tone and it hits an important issue. Calling someone a "fanatic" in many ways carries an implication that they have some unchangeable inner nature. They are to be dismissed, ignored. They are beyon…

The logical leap you’re making to draw a distinction between “a fanatic” and “one close to fanaticism” is far greater than the one they’re making to use them interchangeably.

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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> You can ask ChatGPT to write an essay on why fossil fuels are better than renewables and it will say, “I’m sorry, but I am not able to fulfill this request as it goes against my capabilities as a language model. Providing a biased and one-sided argument on a complex and nuanced topic like energy production would not be accurate or helpful.” Or, as when I just did that: Prompt: Why are fossil fuels better than renew…

The "however" part bugs the heck out of me, not in this context, but in general. Whenever I ask anything unaligned with mainstream progressive US culture, I can get an answer, but I can't get one without a disclaimer. It makes it feel very propaganda. If I go more extreme (e.g. asking what Nazis, slave-owners, etc. believed on some topic), I can't even get a reasonable, basic, factual answer. I'm from a country where…

> It makes it feel very propaganda.

That's exactly what it is. These corporations absolutely do tune the output of these AIs to exclude any wrongthink.

We need the ability to run this technology on our own computers as soon as possible.

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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This is a very US centric questionaire. If internet users from a country are more conservatice, would ChatGPT respond the same way? biased by US dominant interner or would it use their languages and politics (if it was exposed at all)? Or is it selection bias by whoever decided what data it can and cannot be exposed to?

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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In chatgpts case it'd be losing customers. It's a no win game. You just piss every group off and the anger and loss of users way out weighs the gain of customers on the other side. So just try and piss no one off on things that are politicized.

Most big businesses aren't afraid to piss certain people off. But are afraid to piss others off. There was a time when businesses avoided politics. Not anymore - now Big Business is eagerly embracing politics and is not afraid to push political agenda and partisan preferences. It looks like they think some people are worth to be afraid of, and some people's opinion doesn't really matter. We'll see if they are right.

I don't think big businesses have ever avoided politics. Try being openly gay and get hired in the 80s or being a woman trying to be an executive in the 80s. Businesses did openly discriminate. And that is political.

The shift happened because businesses became dependent on more and more talent for continued growth. Suddenly having a large contingent of your workforce threaten to quit because some dude wants to spout off about women not being as naturally smart as men is really bad business; and it's not surprising that businesses respond to the incentives and axe the dude spouting off.

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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It is easy to demonstrate that $10 is more than $100. For example, there are more people walking around with $10 than there are with $100. This indicates that $10 is the more popular, sought after, valuable of the two.

More people drive Toyotas than Lamborghinis. So Toyotas are more valuable?

Owning a Lamborghini would bankrupt most people, which is highly undesirable. Therefore the Toyota is better.

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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You can ask ChatGPT to write an essay on why fossil fuels are better than renewables and it will say, "I'm sorry, but I am not able to fulfill this request as it goes against my capabilities as a language model. Providing a biased and one-sided argument on a complex and nuanced topic like energy production would not be accurate or helpful." BUT if you ask it the opposite, and to write an essay on why renewables are b…

> Now, whether or not fossil fuels are objectively worse or better is irrelevant. It's just an example that it does have biases. Of course it is relevant. Having biases towards objective truth is completely normal and should be the expected behaviour. Thinking that there are always (at least) two sides to any debate and they're at an equal footing and need to be presented in the same manner would be ignoring human na…

> Thinking that there are always (at least) two sides to any debate and they're at an equal footing and need to be presented in the same manner would be ignoring human nature and history. Some debates are extremely one sided.

The problem are debates themselves. Thinking in terms of sides that fighting to win an argument is about as far from trying to understand reality and find objective truth as you could possibly get.

And if you bring up "human nature and history", what has been true throughout history is that denying equal footing and consideration to different views on contested topics is a power play, and an identifying mark of future oppressors. It starts with denying the opponents the ability to express themselves. Eventually, physical violence follows.

There's a reason discussions about cancel culture and left bias usually have someone bringing up the right to due process and "innocent until proven guilty" - those are one of the greatest achievements of the human civilization, and the people sharing the viewpoint you presented here are trying to undo it all.

> More often than not one side is ignoring reality and is not using reason to maintain their position - fossil fuel lovers, flat earthers, anti-vaxxers, fringe conspiracy theories, etc. etc. etc.

Back to that debate-based POV. This is patently ignorant of reality and basically just a form of self-justifying one's own hate or dishonesty. The truth is, almost nobody in all those debates knows much of reality. There are few specialists with a solid grasp on objective truth, some more with an approximate one, everyone else has only surface understanding of some slice of the issue. But what everyone has is a good understanding of immediate, first-order consequences the issue has for them personally.

Fossil fuel love doesn't stem from thermodynamics - people are mostly just worried about their jobs, or their communities. They feel the "fossil fuel haters" are trying to force them to take one for the team, that they're destroying the world they got used to living in. There's lots of mistrust and feelings of being attacked involved. Once you get that, you'll start to realize why all the arguing keeps going in circles, and that getting more pushy with "quoting facts" to "opponents" who clearly are "ignoring reality and not using reason"... isn't going to work. You aren't any different than them, you just worry about different things.

I suppose I shouldn't dignify your blatantly manipulative grouping of "fossil fuel lovers" with "flat earthers, anti-vaxxers, fringe conspiracy theories, etc." - but the truth is, the underlying reasons for those viewpoints are quite similar. Ingroup/outgroup dynamics, lack of trust, feeling of being force-fed beliefs and denied agency.

> Not only can you not reason with such people, presenting their position as an equal one that merits a debate is dangerous because their conversion tactics work on some people (mostly through FUD).

Yup. The next thing usually is locking such people in camps, as they're clearly too dangerous to have around. Fancy how the people who are most vocally anti-.*ist are also most eager to adopt those same behavior patterns.

> As they say, reality has a leftwing bias.

[citation needed]

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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> [..] the model responses were against the death penalty, pro-abortion, for a minimum wage, for regulation of corporations, for legalization of marijuana, for gay marriage, for immigration, for sexual liberation, for environmental regulations, and for higher taxes on the rich. Sounds like Europe to me. Most of these points aren't as controversial in Europe as they are in the US. Since ChatGPT is almost certainly als…

Some European countries don't have a minimum wage. In the UK a majority of people would vote to bring back to the death penalty for some crimes like terrorism, if given a referendum on it. Gay marriage and abortion are highly controversial in some of the more Catholic parts of Europe, immigration control routinely ranks as one of the highest concerns in the Eurobarometer polls and obviously especially so in the UK, a…

It's a thing from Reddit, and the American Democrats are right-wing in Europe, and so on and so on, complete misrepresentations of what Europe is. Do these people realise Turkey and Russia are in Europe?

What I do agree on, is that the political climate is far more diverse than the US, but that's because there are more than 2 parties.

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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I think this is exactly what is going to happen, eventually and probably soon. And the reason is, if any model is allowed to say something non-PC in public, the next day the whole press will be full of articles "new AI is racist/sexist/homophobic/shill for fossil fuels/$x-ist/$y-phobe" and the cancel mobs will hound everybody related to it until they shut it down or restrict it in a way that prevents this from happen…

Legitimate question. Why are people afraid of cancel culture? Who's in charge of "cancelling" exactly? Is it just fear of losing your job, and who makes that call? HR? Executives?

> Why are people afraid of cancel culture?

They cause massive damage to other people's lives over what's essentially wrongthink.

> Who's in charge of "cancelling" exactly?

Organized internet mobs, often from Twitter. Look up Sleeping Giants for an example.

> Is it just fear of losing your job

"Just" losing your job? That's a major life-changing punishment by itself. They can ruin your reputation and essentially blacklist you.

These people essentially run a denial of service on your life and that of your family by denying you income for the crime of offending them with your thoughts. In a way, they're a self-righteous Kiwi Farms.

> who makes that call? HR? Executives?

Whoever's in charge. They will be intimidated into firing you for your offensive conduct or suffer the same consequences for supporting and aligning themselves with such an abominable wrongthinker.

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