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2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop?

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Re: 2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop?

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These comments are hilarious. Linux user community: Linux has been fine for casual users for years! Give it to your grandma, it's not a problem! Also Linux user community: Wait, you used an nVidia GPU in your build? What kind of idiot scrub are you? If there's one thing I've seen that's consistent with Linux users over the last two decades, it's been blaming users for all their Linux-related problems.

I will offer a third perspective: Linux has a really horrible user experience on the Desktop but it is the least shit option of the mainstream operating systems.

For me the choice is simple because a non-free operating would not be acceptable. And no, I am hardcore ideological about it, I use a Linux Kernel with binary blobs and all but the point is having system that serves me and me alone. Telemetry, advertisement, forced updates, not allowing me to do whatever the fuck I want with my system are non-starters.

Beyond the ideological I want to note that while learning curve with Linux is steep there are some aspects that make it worth it:

It is mostly a one time investment: Linux is pretty conservative. Once you get it, you get it and wont really have to learn anything new. Most of the time even the bigger disruptions to the ecosystem are not that relevant to the end user and can always be simply avoided if one chooses to, not just for years but decades or forever.

Compare this to Windows. I used Windows XP heavily and absolutely wouldn't be able to perform basic tasks on an modern Windows system. In comparison, if as Linux user from the Windows XP era were teleported into our times, they would still feel at home on today's Linux and could be perfectly productive in nearly not time.

If you are in tech, you might have to learn Linux anyway: Linux server skills are really important to have. And these skills translate back to the Linux Desktop and vice versa as well.

Also docker performance is vastly better on Linux than on Windows or Mac so that alone makes the Linux the best platform for developers. (Not to mention many tools being only Linux native or having priority Linux support.)

Also people need to stop using Ubuntu. I have been using Linux for ages and find the UI super confusing and wouldn't be able to do anything on it. It's just shit.

Use Linux Mint.

Oh and I am using NVIDIA GPUs just fine on Linux. I had some trouble with freezes and crashes but most of these got fixed in updates.

Maybe we can use Haiku as a daily driver one day but for now there is really no good alternative to Linux.

Re: 2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop?

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Now that I'm no longer forced to use a Mac at work, all of my work happens on Linux. I only marginally touch Windows and Mac for testing and builds. If I can find a good MDM solution for Linux hardware and software, I'll let the employees at my startup use Linux too. I get a sense that corporate MDM is all that's holding Linux back.

Microsoft just released Linux support (Ubuntu) in their MDM Intune. It’s very barebones yet but provides first fundamental capabilities. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/mem/intune/fundamentals/su... https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/mem/intune/user-help/enrol...

Isn't MDM very much anathema to the Linux user's philosophy? I've avoided it pretty sternly.

Re: 2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop?

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Not my experience at all. Been running Ubuntu LTS for work for years and updates are just about bulletproof.

Novice Linux users often make the mistake of adding third party repos to their package manager, which almost invariably causes trouble down the line. Some distros (for instance Debian) have a culture of discouraging this practice, while others (particularly Ubuntu) have a user culture which encourages it. This is easily the most common reason for updates breaking. RPM and dpkg are both nigh bullet proof, and you can…

It doesn't help that every online guide tells people to do this without warning about the consequences. Want to install nginx? Copy this line of script and enter your password, no need to fuss about the details!

The Linux volunteer community needs an attitude shift to start recommending the user friendly method over the complicated methods. You don't need to apt install Chrome, it's in your software store, just like most other programs you probably want. If you go die-hard Linux (Arch, Gentoo, etc.) then perhaps there are too many variations in use to give a clear cross DE answer but on Ubuntu 99% of users are on GNOME with Ubuntu customisations, so you can use the Disks tool instead of dd, the Disk Usage analyser instead of a complicated du grep sort command and the software manager instead of apt for almost every common task.

Linux people are often fond of their command line and so am I, but this way any normal user will quickly shy away from the platform for no good reason. There are also people who have weirdly strict opinions about the "right" way to do things (systemd hate, Wayland hate, vim enthusiasts, bash vs zsh vs fish debates) that ruin the experience for everyone but will leave an especially bad impression for newbies. You'd better know the difference between pacman, apt, dnf, and brew before you go to the Arch forum or expect to be insulted for being such a complete idiot to even consider asking a question.

Re: 2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop?

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I can’t consider Linux desktop until copy and paste is consistent and seamless and lets me use the macOS key combination everywhere. And of course all this should just work, not be a series of cli commands and configs.

I've had exactly the opposite experience switching to Mac from Linux. used to be my cli editors worked with the clipboard, now I have to `M-x shell-command-on-region pbcopy`.

I've written a wrapper script for it and bound that but if I have to write lisp to use the clipboard I consider that backsliding.

Re: 2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop?

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Microsoft just released Linux support (Ubuntu) in their MDM Intune. It’s very barebones yet but provides first fundamental capabilities. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/mem/intune/fundamentals/su... https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/mem/intune/user-help/enrol...

Isn't MDM very much anathema to the Linux user's philosophy? I've avoided it pretty sternly.

For a personal device. Corporate devices are subject to a whole host of regulations. PCI, HIPAA, etc.

You can't even touch fintech unless your engineers work on MDM'd devices.

You can't trust every single employee to always keep their machine up to date or be on the up and up. Statistically speaking, you'll need it eventually.

Re: 2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop?

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That’s against the rules. I’ve been doing this 20 years. You can only say next year is the year of the Linux desktop. No hindsight stuff allowed.

That's moral choice I guess: you were simply making mistakes for the last 20 years, an the OP is blatantly lying. Also, you were simply giving people hope, and OP is actively sabotaging the development, by trying to make false impression that this garbage is already working fine. Which, as every actual Linux user knows, just isn't the case. Obviously, that's Microsoft PR department post. Using praise as a weapon. I'v…

It was a joke my friend.

Merry Christmas

Re: 2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop?

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In principle I would love to use Linux, as the developer experience isn’t great on Windows, and I would rather not be tied into expensive Apple computers. However, I don’t want to learn about components of my operating system, that is below my pay grade. I’m not trying to spread FUD, I’m speaking firsthand on some of the experiences my colleagues have had with their brand new $3000 business Thinkpads running all mann…

How can learning of your tools being below your pay grade? Ability to use tools properly is a prerequisite for any professional. That sounds very weird to me.

An operating system isn’t a tool, it’s a means to an end.

It’s like saying it’s bad I don’t know how all the internal components of my car work because I rely on my car to get to work.

As far as I am concerned, my operating system is a black box for interacting with VSCode, Slack, Outlook, Firefox, and use a terminal in a user-friendly way. I don’t care how it works, its components, or how it is constructed. I certainly don’t expect to have to fix it - making the operating system reliable and user-friendly is someone else’s job.

Re: 2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop?

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If I'm honest, Linux is...exhausting. I'm technically proficient, but even the "user-friendly" Ubuntu is a pain to work with. Something as simple as changing the mouse scroll speed requires creating a bash script. Software updates rarely work. There are random crashes that take hours to fix. I'm about to give in the towel and get a Mac. I can get it to work because the terminal doesn't scare me, but there's no way I…

Have the totally opposite experience. Ubuntu has a quite minimal settings panel, that's good. Windows settings are much more difficult to navigate. The layout / structure has changed a lot between updates. Settings are hidden deep within preferences menus with multiple tabs. Google for things and you find ad ridden pages with screenshots and pop-ups about clicking here, there, then here. It's a mess.

Windows 11 fixed a lot of problems caused by Windows 8 that continued into Windows 10 when it comes to settings. My computer doesn't support it for arbitrary reasons Microsoft came up with so I can't use it where it matters, but I've got to give it to them that the UI for settings improved a lot.

The start menu, task bar, context menus and almost every other aspect of the UI got a significant downgrade in the process, which is a pain, but at least the settings were fixed.

Re: 2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop?

#259

These comments are hilarious. Linux user community: Linux has been fine for casual users for years! Give it to your grandma, it's not a problem! Also Linux user community: Wait, you used an nVidia GPU in your build? What kind of idiot scrub are you? If there's one thing I've seen that's consistent with Linux users over the last two decades, it's been blaming users for all their Linux-related problems.

I've got elderly relatives using ChromeOS laptops and Android phones just fine. Both run on Linux and are far easier for them to use and for me to support than the alternatives.

Oh definitely, but we both know that when people talk about "using Linux" they don't mean Android and ChromeOS.

You're technically correct, and for practical purposes incorrect.

Re: 2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop?

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This is utterly ridiculous. Unless you're a long-time Unix hacker or system administrator (I was the latter for ten years), trying to do anything in Linux is time-consuming, difficult, and ultimately very frustrating. Desktop Linux was always be a backwater for techies and it has absolutely no hope of widespread adoption like Windows or macOS.

The article continues to grasp and cling onto straws, to actually prove that a minority of StackOverflow techies who bothered to fill in the survey are using their machines as a Linux Desktop and not normal users as proof of 'widespread adoption'.

A long time delusion preached by Linux Desktop techies. The Year of the Linux Desktop has ended with Windows being the best Linux Distro.

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