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> America decided dollars should float in the 70s, and most of the world followed. Except that a bunch of countries in Europe went back to pegged currency with the Euro[1]. Part of the reason the 2008 crisis hit countries like Italy, Greece, and Ireland so hard. --- 1. Yes - the Euro is not technically pegged; but effectively, it's the same thing. Each individual country in the Eurozone can't engage in independent mo…
What are you talking about? The euro is NOT pegged and your last sentence doesnt change that.
Binance freezes withdrawals of stablecoin USDC as investors pull $2B
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Re: Binance freezes withdrawals of stablecoin USDC as investors pull $2B
#252> The world's biggest crypto exchange will freeze all withdrawals of USD Coin while it conducts a "token swap" to boost its holdings of the dollar-pegged cryptocurrency, the crypto group's CEO Changpeng Zhao said Tuesday It's worth noting that USDC is not even a token controlled by Binance. It's controlled and issued by Circle. So effectively, Binance is refusing to honor its commitment to depositors to give them the…
USDC is issued by circle.com and the underlying assets are held on US bank accounts.
BUSD, which is Binance's USD stablecoin, is actually issued by paxos.com (see https://paxos.com/busd/) and the underlying assets are held on US bank accounts .
Binance definitely has accounts at both Circle and Paxos, that allow them to mint and redeem USDC and BUSD, by depositing or (respectively) withdrawing USD to Circle's or Paxos' bank account.
In September, Binance announced that all USDC deposits made on Binance would be converted to BUSD at 1:1 (https://www.binance.com/en/support/announcement/binance-to-a...). The move was indeed an attempt to boost the adoption of BUSD, which is the third largest stablecoin with a market cap of $19B, behind USDC which is the second largest with a market cap of $43B (see https://coinmarketcap.com/view/stablecoin/).
From a practical point of view, what Binance did was redeeming the USDC (by sending them back to Circle and withdrawing USD to it's bank account) and then subsequently minting BUSD (by wiring the USD to Paxos' bank account and receiving the corresponding amount of BUSD).
Binance also allows to "seamlessly" withdraw BUSD as USDC from it's exchange to your wallet.
Now you are starting to understand what happened today.
Following negative rumours, people started to massively withdraw BUSD as USDC from Binance. Binance fullfilled to first part of those withdrawal requests from it's hot wallets containing USDC, but past a certain amount it had no USDC left and temporarily halted withdrawals of USDC. A caveat to that is that Binance only halted withdrawals of USDC on the Ethereum and Tron chains. Withdrawal of USDC to Polygon and Avalanche for example have been running smooth all day, probably because less people choose those options, so there were still funds available on Binance's hot wallets on these chains.
Once the hot wallets were depleted of USDC on Ethereum and Tron, Binance could only continue to honor the withdrawal requests by converting the BUSD it held to USDC. That conversion requires to redeem the BUSD at Paxos, receiving USD on it's bank account, sending the USD to Circle, and receiving the corresponding amount of USDC. These steps involve regular wires between banks, hence why they could not be executed before the US banks opened.
That being said, the situation is now resolved and Binance has now re-enabled withdrawals of USDC.
Re: Binance freezes withdrawals of stablecoin USDC as investors pull $2B
#253Earlier quoted context omitted.
I mean, the US Dollar is a "pegged" currency under that definition too. A while ago I read an economic analysis that said the US would optimally have five regional currencies (instead of the single one that it has today) to account for internal trade and wealth imbalances. What makes the US dollar work in practice is the active role the federal government takes to internally rebalance the economy through taxation and…
> A while ago I read an economic analysis that said the US would optimally have five regional currencies (instead of the single one that it has today) to account for internal trade and wealth imbalances. That seems pretty silly on its face, but I suppose I've been persuaded of stranger things with a good argument. > I mean, the US Dollar is a "pegged" currency under that definition too. Yes and no. My point about peg…
Re: Binance freezes withdrawals of stablecoin USDC as investors pull $2B
#254I'm not defending Binance in any way, but this is FUD that is getting blown out of the water (arguably, people are on edge these days). It was pre-announced downtime for a hardfork on their BSC chain. https://twitter.com/cz_binance/status/1602510004795367424 It has caused a bit of a bank run and cz says things are processing just fine (along with tons of 3rd party confirmations). https://twitter.com/cz_binance/status…
- USDC is on eth, BSC chain halts impact USDC is like saying apple halted because android updated. Did not see anything to indicate it was USDC on BSC, but if so that changes things. If they did USDC -> BUSD, still should have 0 impact on w/ds off-platform.
- managing liquidity reqs via silvergate or w/e the USDC w/d bank is called is managed just fine without USDC down time by plenty of other parties conducting USDC treasury operations.
At best, this indicates binance has really bad treasury management and is cause for concern. At worse, smoke -> fire. Anything to do with internal treasury ops (fair enough, do a pause) does not have cascading effects on user w/ds
Re: Binance freezes withdrawals of stablecoin USDC as investors pull $2B
#255Earlier quoted context omitted.
So, it's just like the deposits on FTX, or the reserves of Tether right?
Yes, on a centralized entity you're required to trust ("we're totally backed by cash and bonds, for realsies"), as opposed to owning and holding your crypto outright. From their web page: > Transparent > A top auditing firm will attest to the matching supply of BUSD tokens and underlying U.S. dollars on a monthly basis. Note the future tense, as in, "sometime indefinitely away in the future". Their attestations (as o…
For all anyone knows the assets held could be collateral for a large overdue loan.
Re: Binance freezes withdrawals of stablecoin USDC as investors pull $2B
#256Earlier quoted context omitted.
Stablecoins have totally valid use cases in the crypto ecosystem that don’t involve skirting regulations. People want something that isn’t volatile. It takes days to deposit and withdraw actual USD from exchanges and requires centralized entities that charge fees (or are totally untrustworthy as we’ve seen). Contracts and dapps can hold and interact with USDC to create useful applications that aren’t just speculative…
If a stablecoin is fully backed by USD, why does it exist? The only reasons for these coins to exist are: 1. Avoid proper financial controls and regulations imposed on real currencies and operate illegally. 2. To separate fools from their USD and replace it with USDT or whatever.
By the way, the concept of a "stablecoin" (defined as a currency located in a separate financial system than its home) isn't new - you can buy eurodollar futures which are futures on dollars that are physically located in Europe. Ironically, you can also buy euroeuro futures contracts which are for euros located in the US: the euro- prefix on a currency just means "not delivered inside sovereign borders, although the European eurodollar is by far the most important of these.
Re: Binance freezes withdrawals of stablecoin USDC as investors pull $2B
#257Earlier quoted context omitted.
There’s no denying that people “hodling” projects like “DickCoin” are probably having a bad time. I’d suspect that people who invested in more sound projects (Bitcoin and Ethereum, for example) might do just fine in a few years.
Ethereum has a potential use case for being productive (useful for ownership of digital assets). Bitcoin... that's difficult to see why it would be used.
Re: Binance freezes withdrawals of stablecoin USDC as investors pull $2B
#258Earlier quoted context omitted.
If a stablecoin is fully backed by USD, why does it exist? The only reasons for these coins to exist are: 1. Avoid proper financial controls and regulations imposed on real currencies and operate illegally. 2. To separate fools from their USD and replace it with USDT or whatever.
This is akin to asking why commodity futures exist. It's an abstraction that provides utility. In the case of commodity futures, it allows commodities to be traded on an exchange where bags of onion seeds would otherwise be difficult to trade. In the case of USDC it allows USD to exist on the blockchain so that it can interact with smart contracts. Believe it or not, if you want to invest in gold, the only option isn…
That is not essential to what futures do. The essence of a future, is that it is a trade that is agreed upon today, but which settles in the future. I sell my corn to you at a price we agree on today for delivery in 3 months. That allows producers and consumers of commodities to reduce risk, while speculators can increase their risk.
Also -- weird but interesting -- the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onion_Futures_Act bans trading futures contracts on onions (and motion picture box office receipts). Not sure if that would apply to onion seed.
Re: Binance freezes withdrawals of stablecoin USDC as investors pull $2B
#259Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is akin to asking why commodity futures exist. It's an abstraction that provides utility. In the case of commodity futures, it allows commodities to be traded on an exchange where bags of onion seeds would otherwise be difficult to trade. In the case of USDC it allows USD to exist on the blockchain so that it can interact with smart contracts. Believe it or not, if you want to invest in gold, the only option isn…
> In the case of commodity futures, it allows commodities to be traded on an exchange where bags of onion seeds would otherwise be difficult to trade. That is not essential to what futures do. The essence of a future, is that it is a trade that is agreed upon today, but which settles in the future. I sell my corn to you at a price we agree on today for delivery in 3 months. That allows producers and consumers of comm…
Re: Binance freezes withdrawals of stablecoin USDC as investors pull $2B
#260Earlier quoted context omitted.
> almost impossible to do on the downside And yet most stable coins have maintained their peg for years now, despite many of them having gone through 2 large bear markets. If 80%-90% down and still pegged doesn't disprove "impossible to do on the downside" I don't know what could. Clarification: I do think Tether is not fully backed and is likely to depeg some day , but the assertion that it's "impossible to do on th…
> I do think Tether is not fully backed and is likely to depeg some day. Which is a good reason to get out. Stablecoins have only two stable points, 1 and 0. When they crash, they go all the way. Look at what happened with the stablecoins that already crashed.