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Re: South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices

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I'm not sure if this claim is true or not, but the person in your first reference is Andrew Schulz. He's a comedian who has already come out to say that he made all that up, and the media just ran with it [0]. [0]: https://youtube.com/shorts/tAV3QkzHC5E

So he made it up thinking it was fake - but now it has been independently shown to be likely true. In which case he made up a conspiracy theory then demonstrated to be accurate when he thought it was a joke. https://www.china-briefing.com/news/china-passes-sweeping-re... https://www.deseret.com/2022/11/24/23467181/difference-betwe... CBS 60 Minutes Interview with an IT expert just 3 weeks ago: https://www.youtube.com…

I looked up their so-called "IT expert". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tristan_Harris A bachelor in "ethics of human persuasion" doesn't make one an IT expert.

Re: South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices

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If you want TikTok banned in the US because they don't have proper data hygiene and you believe that data could be used by the CCP in the future that is fair. If you want TikTok banned in the US because you believe that they promote dumb content as part of some strategic Chinese plot and you conveniently ignore Meta and Google, I'm going to assume that your reasoning comes from irrational fear of the Chinese. It does…

You seem to try to make everyone sound racist by calling everything Chinese rather than single out the government. People here don’t hate Chinese people. They hate the CCP.

The CCP has 97 million members and broad public support (in b4 "the Chinese don't know what's good for them")

There are probably ways to "hate the CCP" without hating Chinese people, but it's difficult to see how.

Re: South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices

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If you think every red is in team red and everything red does is part of playing a against team blue then you are red-team-phobic. Try replacing red with black or jewish and look how it sounds.

The CCP is not a race. Working against companies under the control or influence of the CCP is no more "Sinophobic" than working against companies under the control or influence of the Nazi government was "Germanophobic".

It's jingoistic and sinophobic since the purpose of the "work against" is to strengthen your own team's position. By and large, Chinese human rights activists do not think banning TikTok strengthens human rights in China.

Re: South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices

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You seem to try to make everyone sound racist by calling everything Chinese rather than single out the government. People here don’t hate Chinese people. They hate the CCP.

Trying to single out the government from the people is a convenient way to justify an anti-China stance. Have you even considered the fact that even if the majority of Chinese may not like their own government, that doesn't mean they support yours?

It's perfectly fine to separate the government from the people. That is why it is fine to hate the Chinese, Israeli, Iranian, Russian, and Saudi Arabian regimes.

Re: South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices

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Yes so you don’t fully support the NZ government, but you are still a subject of and supporter of (through taxes or even maybe just plain apathy even) of the New Zealand government. And so in this way you can’t say the Chinese people are completely separate from their government, because at the end of the day they are paying taxes and letting their government do these things you object to.

So what? He doesn’t call everyone racist who criticizes the actions of the NZ government. It seems to only be CCP shills that struggle with this concept. Nobody in the US gets confused when someone from Europe complains about US government military actions and calls them racist. Perhaps you too can learn that criticisms of the CCP have nothing to do with the Chinese citizens?

> So what? He doesn’t call everyone racist who criticizes the actions of the NZ government. It seems to only be CCP shills that struggle with this concept.

You’ve subtly insinuated that anyone pointing out some criticism of China must be calling everyone racist.

Has it occurred to you that some are indeed racist? In fact it is not OP pointing out the poster is racist, but they explained why such random allegations can be construed as racist. It is in fact his detractors who are attacking his motivation at a personal level (calling him a CCP shill) and trying to discredit his valid viewpoint without offering any reasoning.

There’s no evidence—nor is it even a good hypothesis—that somehow Tiktok is actively trying to subvert American society by feeding it garbage content. Such a conclusion is only reachable if you have an inherent bias that the motives in China towards the West are always evil. As others pointed out America produces and consumes garbage content well before TikTok… as well as companies like Meta literally copying tiktok features in shoveling garbage content… so twisting this narrative to antagonize and reframe China as the bad actor—at least in this specific case—is one rooted in inherent bias and laziness. Have you considered that the difference is simply because the Chinese government, with their well known heavy handed authoritarianism, simply not allowing TikTok to do that within China? Is western society so flawless that it is unwilling to accept its own failures that it must accuse others of active subterfuge instead?

I won’t argue with you about this anymore at a fundamental level because the issue at hand is that you are among many blindly discrediting and disregarding opposition. So I’ll ask you this for your own contemplation: is it even possible to say something or make an argument that just coincidentally isn’t anti CCP that doesn’t get us labeled as a CCP shill? If you’re going to answer avoid personal attacks and avoid “CCP shill” because that is not using any “facts” and is just a blind attempt to discredit the arguments being made. No one called anyone a racist. Some arguments and ideas were labeled sinophobic but no one made the accusation that a person must be sinophobic and therefore their ideas must be as well. But you are doing exactly that, but instead calling us CCP shills…

Re: South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices

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>This isn't a choice being made by TikTok, this is...China Perhaps a distinction without a difference

I actually think it's a good point. There's no way in the US we'd tolerate the government regulating the content on the platform.

Lots of countries have regulations on broadcasting. Percent of locally produced content, what age people can see what etc.

Re: South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices

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Yes so you don’t fully support the NZ government, but you are still a subject of and supporter of (through taxes or even maybe just plain apathy even) of the New Zealand government. And so in this way you can’t say the Chinese people are completely separate from their government, because at the end of the day they are paying taxes and letting their government do these things you object to.

It’s not even compatible. I can criticise my government safely. You cannot say anything negative about the CCP without repercussions. So it’s probably better you stop trying to defend and justify the CCP. It just makes you look like a supporter of an authoritarian regime that commits genocide to its own people.

Philip you’ve already showed your hand and revealed your biases by assuming things about my background… sorry but wholly unrelated as I am a US citizen and I can in fact freely criticize the CCP and I often do. But here in this thread we were talking about something specific. Since it’s not even possible to say something that doesn’t criticize the CCP that doesn’t get you labeled as “a supporter of the regime” there’s no point arguing with you. As you pointed out, you can disagree with your own government (assuming the CCP were my own government) but it doesn’t mean your government only does bad things. Rather than worrying about if I can criticize my own government, or anything about me or what I look like I am doing, why not focus on my arguments like a civilized democratic freedom of speech supporting society? Free discourse only works if you listen.

Re: South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices

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The bigger deal (bigger than the tracking that people usually focus on) might be how the algorithm is specifically tuned to reward dumb content in the US, compared to rewarding STEM and other educational content in China. One minute video that explains: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hus9fWz0RRk Further reading: https://www.opindia.com/2022/07/tiktok-china-engineering-oth...

Tuned towards dumb content or just content people want to watch like on every other platform? Are we getting made at TikTok for giving what their users want?

Re: South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices

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You seem to try to make everyone sound racist by calling everything Chinese rather than single out the government. People here don’t hate Chinese people. They hate the CCP.

The CCP has 97 million members and broad public support (in b4 "the Chinese don't know what's good for them") There are probably ways to "hate the CCP" without hating Chinese people, but it's difficult to see how.

"Broad public support"

There is absolutely no basis to this claim unless there's an alternative party to compare to

Re: South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices

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The bigger deal (bigger than the tracking that people usually focus on) might be how the algorithm is specifically tuned to reward dumb content in the US, compared to rewarding STEM and other educational content in China. One minute video that explains: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hus9fWz0RRk Further reading: https://www.opindia.com/2022/07/tiktok-china-engineering-oth...

How would a skeptic confirm this? Can one get a VPN inside China?

Why does it matter what content is shown in China? Many countries have content requirements the US does not. Isn’t the important part what is shown in the US and if it’s manipulated or just responding to user demand like every other platform?
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