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Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by NaturalPhallacy »

andreyk wrote: post #12

TLDR: this post is entirely to calm advertisers, it can be boiled down to "don't worry, we still prioritize brand safety like before". It does have this gem in it: "What has changed, however, is our approach to experimentation. As you’ve seen over the past several weeks, Twitter is embracing public testing. We believe that this open and transparent approach to innovation is healthy, as it enables us to move faster an…

Musk literally said "we're going to dumb things" and keep the things that aren't dumb.

This "going to do dumb things" is completely on brand for him with his 5 step manufacturing improvement process, step 1 of which is "make your requirements less dumb".

This is actually how Nike works, having worked there. They try all kinds of weird things aren't aren't afraid to, and then drop the ones that don't work with no regrets, keeping what works. Try new things, fail fast isn't a bad strategy for innovation.

Whether or not it'll work out for twitter remains to be seen. Especially with the rest of biased tech still upset that they lost their monopoly on the narrative arrayed against him.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by MKais »

Deukhoofd wrote: post #223
MKais wrote: post #211

Musk might be feeling the heat, among other things, from the EU's commissioner for internal market. https://twitter.com/ThierryBreton/status/1598015892457426944

I'm heavily amused by the "More details on #Mastodon" reply directly below it.

Me too.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by fortuna86 »

lesuorac wrote: post #242
andreyk wrote: post #12

TLDR: this post is entirely to calm advertisers, it can be boiled down to "don't worry, we still prioritize brand safety like before". It does have this gem in it: "What has changed, however, is our approach to experimentation. As you’ve seen over the past several weeks, Twitter is embracing public testing. We believe that this open and transparent approach to innovation is healthy, as it enables us to move faster an…

> TLDR: this post is entirely to calm advertisers, How though, Twitter has had week(s) to prepare this post and its so bare. > First, none of our policies have changed. ... The team remains strong and well-resourced. If you're Eli Lily, why would you re-advertise on twitter. Nothings changed from when you stopped!

> If you're Eli Lily, why would you re-advertise on twitter. Nothings changed from when you stopped!

Not only would I not buy ads, i'd rethinking even having a corporate presence considering the lack of protections against fraud.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by fortuna86 »

s2radhak wrote: post #134
Toxide wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey remember all those terrible things we banned? Lets experiment by letting them free again! Weeeeeeeeeeee.

for our next experiment, we should re-introduce lead into paint

looking into this

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by trs8080 »

chasd00 wrote: post #244
trs8080 wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"As the Los Angeles City Councilmember Mike Bonin noted on Twitter, the suspended users include Chad Loder, an antifascist researcher whose open-source investigation of the U.S. Capitol riot led to the identification and arrest of a masked Proud Boy who attacked police officers. The account of video journalist Vishal Pratap Singh, who reports on far-right protests in Southern California, has also been suspended." "Al…

> antifascist researcher doesn't that just mean someone who doxes people they don't agree with? Great, i'm glad he helped arrest a criminal but the ends don't always justify the means.

> doesn't that just mean someone who doxes people they don't agree with

... no?

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by willcipriano »

threeseed wrote: post #237
josteink wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So banning right wing users for having right wing opinions are OK… But banning antifa-accounts, that is accounts held by people taking part in month long riots and looting and political real-world violence… that is bad? Is this satire? Is this an honestly held opinion? Or am I missing something?

You are missing the fact that no-one was getting banned merely for having an option or for their actions outside of the Twitter platform. They were banned for continuously violating the terms of service e.g. inciting violence, racist or xenophobic content, doxxing etc. And what happened here is that those left-wing accounts were banned without any such violation i.e. it was purely arbitrary and the very thing you cla…

What's odd to me is if this question came up a few months ago we would see lots of "it's a private platform" and "freedom of association" comments that aren't as prevalent all the sudden.

Those left wing people that were banned, very likey supported the system that just got them banned.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by fortuna86 »

schemescape wrote: post #174
borbulon wrote: post #110

> First, none of our policies have changed uh https://transparency.twitter.com/en/reports/covid19.html

The policy is still there—-they just aren’t enforcing it. Corporate doublespeak at its finest.

Is a policy or a law that is not enforced even a law or policy? They are just words on paper then.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by runevault »

imperialdrive wrote: post #94
kilroy123 wrote: post #28

Let's be honest – Musk doesn't know what the hell he is doing here.

Honest question - Maybe he will very quickly? I have no skin in the game, but the occasional Twitter links sent my way in group chats still load just fine, pretty fast actually, and the related page content appears to be less 'spammy'. Seems like a little progress if anything.

I can say that, at least for me, the timeline and lists load far slower than they used to, to the point I see spinners for each individual item in the trending topics list for a second or more before they finally load in. I don't remember the last time that happened to me pre-buyout.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by josteink »

summerlight wrote: post #23

Meanwhile it's reviving tens of thousands of accounts previously banned for harassment based on a single poll from Elon's fanboy as well as ending covid 19 misinformation policy. Pathetic attempts to appease advertisers, but it's just stacking another layer of distrust.

Correction: It’s unbanning accounts which should never have been banned in the first place, for simply having legal to hold opinions.

He’s banning child porn and bots though. Because that seemingly wasn’t banned before.

He’s clearly a nazi, eh?

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by NaturalPhallacy »

sosodev wrote: post #50
Macha wrote: post #8

> First, none of our policies have changed. Our approach to policy enforcement will rely more heavily on de-amplification of violative content: freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach. "Nothing has changed, except..." > Our Trust & Safety team continues its diligent work to keep the platform safe from hateful conduct, abusive behavior, and any violation of Twitter's rules. The team remains strong and well-resourc…

Yeah... Also, the unbanning of users previously considered hateful also directly conflicts with "to keep the platform safe from hateful conduct"

Simple, just define their beliefs as hateful/hate speech, then you can ban them for hate. reddit is also great at this.
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