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Why are glasses so expensive? The industry prefers to keep that blurry (2019)

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Re: Why are glasses so expensive? The industry prefers to keep that blurry (2019)

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I've had very good luck ordering from Zenni and Coastal. It is perhaps a bit harder to find a frame style you like, but once you have a frame of reference for say width measurements it's not so bad. They're especially good for cheap prescription sun glasses. I bought a whole stack of them years ago I'm still working through. If I go to the river or where ever and something happens to them I'm out $25 instead of $250.…

> Why is it so many of these simple services increasingly feel like total scams in the US? Because 'quiet franchising' is a huge money maker for those selling the franchises. For alterations you need to look for someone who does full custom clothing in-house; cleaning services almost all now ship even the cleaning to some central location. I was able to find an actual cobbler nearby; they're still out there but it ca…

Yeah, the guy in my neighborhood is a full tailor, which is why I was surprised he sent my jeans out. Guy has a bit of an ego too cuz he used to do Johny Carson's suits back in the day or something. But anyhow, getting some jeans taken up shouldn't turn into a 6 week adventure.

Re: Why are glasses so expensive? The industry prefers to keep that blurry (2019)

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Don't forget the lens and underbody coatings.

I literally stated that they don’t have significant control over the lens prices. Every optometrist is getting their lens from a relatively minor set of manufacturers, and the manufacturers price to maximize their revenue, not the optometrist. Now I’m sure that they make a bit more money in an absolute sense from coatings, but nothing like the full $8 or whatever it costs these days. The biggest markup items they hav…

Sorry coatings are much more expensive, lotsa markup, bucko.

Re: Why are glasses so expensive? The industry prefers to keep that blurry (2019)

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Capitalism stops working when monopolies take over markets. It is urgently needed to break up all the monopolies and go back to healthy competition. Many problems that we see in society today come from power accumulation in a few hands. The economy is becoming an authoritarian power. Kill monopolies and growth will come back in full force. People is not out of ideas, it is just that companies do not care anymore beca…

> The economy is becoming an authoritarian power. Well, no. Monopolising a market with the economy, which is a tiny fraction of all decision-making power, is not authoritarian. The main thing to ask is: are there high barriers to entry for new players? If not, then competition will arise when it needs to. If there are, then we have a problem. If there are, and they're government/state regulations, then we have a comm…

Competition can arise but then it's bought out by the monopoly.

Re: Why are glasses so expensive? The industry prefers to keep that blurry (2019)

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Not to mention the pupillary distance is not commonly included on optical prescriptions which creates a significant hurdle, even though it can be measured yourself or usually given when asked.

I've asked for my pupillary distance in the past and got a talking to about how evil online ordering is and how it'll ruin my eyes before they would give it to me. All BS, and when I asked if they'd fill a prescription for lenses for my VR unit instead of ordering them online, they stared at me like I had grown a third arm.

My understanding is that they are legally required to give it to you, at least in some places.

Re: Why are glasses so expensive? The industry prefers to keep that blurry (2019)

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I had the same pair of glasses for 20 years just getting new lenses as needed. A year ago I had a slight change in prescription but also had to make the plunge into bifocals. Cost to me even after insurance? $800. And they're terrible.

I got my bifocals at ZenniOptical for around $130 before insurance, and they're fine.

Re: Why are glasses so expensive? The industry prefers to keep that blurry (2019)

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After decades with private practices, since I switched to WalMart my prescriptions are more accurate and glasses cost almost nothing.

Are Walmart glasses cheaper? My last pair was about the going rate, although it's been 4 years ago. I still use Walmart for exams but buy all my glasses from Zenni.com. They're so cheap, glasses have gone from sacred to disposable.

When I used them regularly (as a kid) in the 2000s, they were just as expensive and gave me untold problems involving insurance and repairs. Specifically, they would turn over frame styling so often that if you broke your frame in just a few months, they would be unable to repair or replace them. I'm not convinced this isn't an issue that most places have.

Re: Why are glasses so expensive? The industry prefers to keep that blurry (2019)

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Glasses are expensive because there is no competition. One company - Luxottica - owns pretty much everything. You go to LensCrafters and prices seem super expensive, so you go to Pearle Vision and that's expensive too, so you go to Target Optical and prices are still high and then you think maybe glasses are expensive, since you went to multiple stores and they all have similar prices. What you don't realize is that…

Capitalism stops working when monopolies take over markets. It is urgently needed to break up all the monopolies and go back to healthy competition. Many problems that we see in society today come from power accumulation in a few hands. The economy is becoming an authoritarian power. Kill monopolies and growth will come back in full force. People is not out of ideas, it is just that companies do not care anymore beca…

> Capitalism stops working when monopolies take over markets.

It is an inherit property of capitalism that it works towards this goal. There are forms of capitalism that exert more regulatory influence to help prevent this, but the way capitalism works is that it constantly tries to erode regulation and trend towards monopolies. We see this constantly and nonstop in real life.

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"Warby Parker recognized this as a business opportunity. I’m surprised others haven’t jumped in as well with reasonably priced eyewear." This author is uninformed. Others have jumped in. And Warby Parker wasn't even the first. 15 years ago I would buy my single-vision prescription glasses from optical4less.com. The cost was $58 for 2 pairs, including worldwide shipping. Today I buy my glasses from Zenni. Last month,…

Yup, Zenni is like 20 years old. My partner worked there for 7 years on the eyewear supply chain and catalog. There are tons and tons of low-cost eyewear startups like payneglasses.com

Re: Why are glasses so expensive? The industry prefers to keep that blurry (2019)

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"Warby Parker recognized this as a business opportunity. I’m surprised others haven’t jumped in as well with reasonably priced eyewear." This author is uninformed. Others have jumped in. And Warby Parker wasn't even the first. 15 years ago I would buy my single-vision prescription glasses from optical4less.com. The cost was $58 for 2 pairs, including worldwide shipping. Today I buy my glasses from Zenni. Last month,…

Yup, Zenni is like 20 years old. My partner worked there for 7 years on the eyewear supply chain and catalog. There are tons and tons of low-cost eyewear startups like payneglasses.com

Agreed! I love Payne. I have over 100 pair because it's so inexpensive to buy online. Why not have multiple pair? You can get sunglasses or computer glasses, so you're not just stuck with one pair.
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