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Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

enriquto wrote: post #141
ddevault wrote: post #135

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Typical behavior from Signal. They have a track record of hostility that we as a community should really not be tolerating. I do not use Signal and I tell my friends not to, either. Play nice or don't play at all.

Problem is, I already moved my friends and family to Signal and removed Whatsapp from my phone. It was an uphill battle that I don't want to fight again. What do I do, now? As much as there's a lot of questionable stuff on Signal, that's nothing compared to whatsapp. Do you suggest a Signal alternative that is significantly better?

This. It was hard enough to migrate people from Whatsapp ( as in, for all my privacy gripes, it is hard to argue that it just works very well in most instances ).

It is not like most of my social groups are me-centric, which forces me to pick battles carefully. Now that I moved people to signal, I need to do what I can to try moving signal to my ideal space ( no phone requirement being one of them, 3rd party clients and so on ).

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Post by dijit »

spdl wrote: post #210
the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #203

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> This doesn’t change the fact that signal is the best option for my grandma to use still. Is it? How do you measure that? It seems like WhatsApp is a better default choice for most people probably.

Except it's owned by Meta, who I really wouldn't trust even if they say it's E2EE.

To be honest I don’t see a strong reason to trust signal either except better marketing.

There are so many scandals that come to mind, like not updating the FOSS code for years.

I’m no fan of Meta, and they have incentive to hoover up data.

But I don’t have a good reason to trust signal other than that everyone on hackernews seems to love them.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Post by bpicolo »

mort96 wrote: post #231
charcircuit wrote: post #224

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That is what a DMCA takedown is. You contacting the people involved to get something taken down.

No. A DCMA takedown is your lawyers contacting their lawyers and saying that you're invoking a law which forces them to immediately take something down or risk severe legal ramifications. Isn't it better to reach out without invoking a DCMA and see if the other party is willing to cooperate first?

If their explicit goal is having it taken down, and the law gives them explicit ability to do so, why would they waste the time? A DMCA isn't rude, it's just a strictly outlined process.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Post by jethro_tell »

bobmaxup wrote: post #133

It is interesting how quickly this discussion moved from, "Never use Ubuntu or Snap" to "Never use Signal"

IDK, Signal has been getting more hostile to users over time. In the coming months, when they drop the sms functionality I will drop signal forever. That's pretty crazy because I've been using it since it was red-phone in the early 2010's with my samsung galaxy2.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Post by dijit »

cyberphobe wrote: post #218
berkes wrote: post #211

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Moxie was fairly controversial in his stance on several issues. That's not "fact-free".

Moxie is no longer involved in Signal. Blaming him for things Signal does now is pretty free of fact

Other than that he set things up to be that way.

He’s not blameless for the fact it’s not federated, for example. Even if he’s not involved anymore.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Post by bogota »

the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #203
bogota wrote: post #197

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This doesn’t change the fact that signal is the best option for my grandma to use still. Moxie is no longer active in signal afaik. This is the new leadership.

> This doesn’t change the fact that signal is the best option for my grandma to use still. Is it? How do you measure that? It seems like WhatsApp is a better default choice for most people probably.

I agree but the person i am replying to is talking about using matrix

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Post by tssva »

teraflop wrote: post #204
cyberphobe wrote: post #200

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Wasn’t their own program. They have a binary they distribute, this was some other binary calling itself Signal without their approval.

If that's the issue, it's (at most) a trademark violation instead of a copyright violation, which means the DMCA complaint was filed under false premises.

I don't see where the source was being offered by the distributors of this package which would mean they were in violation of the AGPL and it was therefore a copyright violation.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Post by bogota »

jeroenhd wrote: post #212
bogota wrote: post #197

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This doesn’t change the fact that signal is the best option for my grandma to use still. Moxie is no longer active in signal afaik. This is the new leadership.

My grandma uses WhatsApp Web and Facebook hasn't taken down the WhatsApp Web snap yet. Both are end to end encrypted and based on the same transport but one of them used copyright law to take down a redistribution of their application. Looks to me like Signal is the interior app here.

If you look at anything through a narrow enough lens you can make it look good.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Post by tingletech »

teraflop wrote: post #204
cyberphobe wrote: post #200

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Wasn’t their own program. They have a binary they distribute, this was some other binary calling itself Signal without their approval.

If that's the issue, it's (at most) a trademark violation instead of a copyright violation, which means the DMCA complaint was filed under false premises.

Copyright license is revoked under AGPL v3 if you violate the AGPL v3 terms.

AGPL v3 specifically allows authors to add trademark restrictions that become violating.

Don't follow the trademark clauses, lose your copyright license, that becomes a copyright violation, actionable under DMCA.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Post by forgotpwd16 »

ddevault wrote: post #193
enriquto wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Problem is, I already moved my friends and family to Signal and removed Whatsapp from my phone. It was an uphill battle that I don't want to fight again. What do I do, now? As much as there's a lot of questionable stuff on Signal, that's nothing compared to whatsapp. Do you suggest a Signal alternative that is significantly better?

I don't have an answer which is likely to satisfy you. I'm still a grumpy old IRC user. I communicate with non-technical friends and family via email, SMS, and Jitsi Meet. I allowed myself to be persuaded to try Matrix earlier this year and so far I've regret it. goodpoint's answer is probably the best longer term answer: someone needs to fork Signal and manage it properly. But it's not as simple as just rebranding t…

>try Matrix earlier this year and so far I've regret it

Why is that?

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