Haven’t bought a Windows machine in a few years. It seems like this would likely be useful as a general purpose development machine because there is probably no crapware installed. Do you think this is a plausible argument to buy one or are they now all infested no matter what?
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Is there a list of things that are worse with 11? I had it pushed on one of my less frequently used devices and so far all that has been annoying has been the Explorer context menu which hides "less used" items (some of which I frequently need, of course) behind a "More" entry.
For me personally - Taskbar cannot be pinned to the side on my widescreen monitors - Items on taskbar cannot be un-grouped - Cannot show text on taskbar - News/weather widget is awful, full of clickbait news and tiny Weather widget, which is vastly inferior to having a live tile that opens to a full screen weather app - Reduced start menu customization (live tiles / grid are replaced with folders that add an extra cl…
- The awful new context menu in Explorer.
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#253This is pretty interesting. I'm just imaging a future with inexpensive Windows ARM machines, passively-cooled, and running in most of the offices of your country. With most of the important Microsoft software already compiled to ARM, and with those kits available to developers to do compile theirs at a competitive price, I won't doubt that future could be possible.
There are huge amounts of existing x86 software in use, including Office add-ins, Explorer extensions, and COM dependencies in general, that won’t be recompiled to ARM. The only way ARM would take over is if compatibility with existing binaries is maintained (which is very difficult if not impossible for x86 DLLs within ARM-based applications), and if their execution remains sufficiently performant.
Microsoft takes years to develop their own version of rosetta after the fail of Windows rt. And I think you are already able to use it now, you can already run x86 on Windows on arm vm on mac(m1).
Just wondering the performance when running it on the dev kit they sell now.
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#254Haven’t bought a Windows machine in a few years. It seems like this would likely be useful as a general purpose development machine because there is probably no crapware installed. Do you think this is a plausible argument to buy one or are they now all infested no matter what?
My experience with Windows 11 so far has been great.
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#255Haven’t bought a Windows machine in a few years. It seems like this would likely be useful as a general purpose development machine because there is probably no crapware installed. Do you think this is a plausible argument to buy one or are they now all infested no matter what?
It might not get the longest-term support, but it seems like a half-decent deal. If you're comfortable turning it into a home server/compute module once it reaches EOL, I'd say go for it.
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Why would I buy a Mac Mini for Linux when devices like this exist? The Qualcomm chip is officially supported and much cheaper than buying the Mac. Seems to be much less hassle and better value on the Microsoft side of things.
$699 for a Mini, $599 for this. The 32GB ram may be nice, but I haven't felt ram pressure on my M1 16GB even running Windows VM on Parallels once, with VSCode, Teams, ~20 tabs of Firefox, DBeaver, Outlook, and Kitty open at once. Would like to see perf numbers. Could be an interesting box, maybe a nice home server.
that 699 mini also has a lot smaller ssd which is pretty important.
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The chip is having mainline Linux support merged with 5.20, according to Phoronix: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-5.20-SoCs-8cx-Gen3-Arm
I'd wait to hear if this board has Linux support. It might have a locked bootloader.
Specs seem to list UEFI Secure Boot, which has been unlockable on all of Microsoft's Surface devices and previous ARM outings. Shipping this with a locked bootloader would be one hell of a breach from tradition (and probably undermine it's usefulness as a dev box anyways).
Regardless, the internal SOC is the same as the new ARM Thinkpad which also shipped with an unlocked bootloader. Pretty much everything suggests that this will ship unlocked.
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#260Jeff Atwood 5 years ago: "the Qualcomm hardware people told Google internally they were 5 years behind Apple on hardware. This was about 1.5 years ago, but I believe that's about right." ( https://twitter.com/codinghorror/status/1050538041796788225)
And benchmarks continue to show: https://twitter.com/slightlylate/status/1584350796233117696