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Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Post by camdat »

DiggyJohnson wrote: post #233
camdat wrote: post #199

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Can you provide any... yaknow... evidence that crime is going up on average? Just a quick Google implies that this is a complete fabrication https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/San-Francisco-crime-Che... https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/stay-safe/crime-data/crim... https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/san-francisco-crime-r... >Ideology gets the best of people and they don't want to believe. The irony of saying t…

Could your data not be completely accounted for by a decrease in public trust in police effectiveness to address instances of crime at the level of individual instances?

Could you prove this is taking place? If not then I don't see how it invalidates the data. It could just as well be that people are more willing to report crime now.

The only evidence available to us implies that crime is going down. Ideology is the only reason you might believe otherwise without evidence.

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Post by thehappypm »

thatfrenchguy wrote: post #152
seibelj wrote: post #140

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I live in Boston, which is a similar size and population to SF, and it's extremely safe. There is some crime but even something minor like porch pirates are pretty much not a thing. There is a skid row named "Mass and Cass" which has had HBO documentaries made about it, but there are a lot of protests from citizens advocating to clean it up. At some point you need the police to arrest all these people and throw them…

You probably just live in a safe neighborhood frankly. I live in a safe hood in SF and never got anything stolen, and I've seen only one broken car window in the past year. It's night and day compared to Paris for me.

Boston is a very, very safe place. There are really a very small number of bad neighborhoods (Mass & Cass for example).

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Post by DiggyJohnson »

dghlsakjg wrote: post #211
kotlin2 wrote: post #173

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Definitely can blame DAs for not brining charges. The rule of law is literally the only deterrence to anti-social behavior.

Crime has increased under the new DA… Seems like the rule of law isn’t much of a deterrence in this case

When was the new DA inaugurated?

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Post by icelancer »

dpe82 wrote: post #136
cgb223 wrote: post #67

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I thought the same thing then remembered that my car has been smash and grabbed not once, but twice

Ditto. First time I reported it but never heard anything back from the police. Second time I didn't even bother.

This is how crime stats "not increasing" end up happening, because we don't report it since it's a waste of time. I'm not blaming you, I don't report 100% of the incidents I deal with in the inner-city of Seattle (something happens every quarter without fail), but unfortunately it depresses the actual crime rates that are occurring every day.

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Post by StanislavPetrov »

jacobolus wrote: post #127
koolba wrote: post #124

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> One of the main issues is that the SF police are unwilling to lift a finger about nearly anything. Isn’t this a direct effect of the DA refusing to prosecute? What’s the point of police getting involved if the crime isn’t even considered a crime by the prosecutor?

In my opinion blaming the DA was always a lazy excuse. Now that he has been recalled in favor of a “tough” replacement who fired all of the progressive city prosecutors, how do you explain their continuing non-responsiveness? Recently my plumber neighbors had their truck stolen with their tools in it and told the police precisely where it was but the police wouldn’t do anything, so my neighbors found the thief and be…

>Recently my plumber neighbors had their truck stolen with their tools in it and told the police precisely where it was but the police wouldn’t do anything, so my neighbors found the thief and beat him up. The police came to ask why there was a fist fight in the middle of the sidewalk. The thief ran away, so the police shrugged and left.

How much of this is a consequence of prosecutors and judges who don't jail thieves or people who commit assaults? I'm not fan of the police, but what is the point of arresting people and giving them a ride to the police station only to be released back onto the street?

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Post by birdyrooster »

rrdharan wrote: post #248

Since folks are sharing stories.. I lived in the Mission for about 10 years (2003-2012). My apartment was broken into, my car was broken into multiple times, my roommate was mugged at knifepoint and stabbed (she was fine), my bike was stripped for parts (they stole the handlebars / shifters and seat while it was locked up), and my car was stolen, driven around the neighborhood in broad daylight when I spotted it at 1…

Not sure being stabbed would leave anyone “fine”. The traumatic memories can last for years.

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Post by s1artibartfast »

joenot443 wrote: post #160
tchaffee wrote: post #132

Here's a good place to compare to other cities, if comparing is even a reasonable thing to do [1]. Sort by Total for Property Crime. Notably Albuquerque, Spokane, and Memphis have higher total property crime rates. But perhaps wouldn't make such an interesting headline for those in tech. Also notable that Orlando, FL is high on the list. But Irvine, CA and Tampa, FL are at the bottom of the list. Please also read the…

I can only point out anecdotally that the people I know in SF who've had their cars broken into don't even bother waiting to report it to the police because they know there's nothing to be done.

I had three or four while I was there, can't remember. Two thefts from our locked garage. Never seriously considered reporting it, but I should have just to make the stats more accurate

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Post by williamcotton »

baby wrote: post #24

Reading this headline I thought to myself, this can't be possible. But then I remembered I got two packages stolen in two different neighborhood of the city, and during NYE someone broke the door of the backyard to probably see what they could steal there.

My bike was stolen out of my garage in the Mission in 2014…

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Post by therealcamino »

CWuestefeld wrote: post #215
testfrequency wrote: post #182

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“I live in a wealthy suburb outside a major city and it’s safe here compared to an entire major city” fixed it for you

You seem to be implying that it's right and proper for cities to have high crime. Why is that?

The poster is only saying it is typical that crime in cities is higher than in surrounding suburbs, in the US. They didn't say anything about "right and proper" -- that's your spin.
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