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Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by ZeroCool2u »

topka wrote: post #229
ZeroCool2u wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry, I know this is off topic, but I've been looking around at the Fleet docs and can't quite find an answer to this so far, so just hoping you might have an answer. Does the front end stack of Fleet allow one to run it in a browser when using a remote back end? The same way you can run the back end of VS Code or JupyterLab on a server and render the front end in a browser tab? I understand you can run the fron…

Running fronted in browser is not possible at the moment.

Got it, thank you!

Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by lostmsu »

jimpudar wrote: post #126
kaba0 wrote: post #103

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Almost all of the jetbrain products are just intellij with a different set of plugins preinstalled (with perhaps the exception of clion which has a bit more native integration with debuggers), so you can quite likely just use intellij with a few plugins you want for everything.

Rider is also a bit different in how it handles Visual Studio solution / project files AFAIK. You can definitely rig up IntelliJ for e.g. Python development, but PyCharm is going to be a far better experience. I pay for the All Products Pack purely out of convenience - If I wanted to spend a ton of time tweaking my IDE, I'd go back to Emacs!

I am currently using Python with IntelliJ. What exactly am I missing from PyCharm?

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Post by mmastrac »

lghh wrote: post #246
mmastrac wrote: post #235

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Or maybe... find a way to not be creepy? They're the ones trying to convince people to move from VSCode.

The amount of data that VSCode collects dwarfs this though.

It's a single toggle to turn off all telemetry (anonymized, limited to feature usage - no reporting of source files/projects that I've seen), which takes a few seconds to configure at install time as it's literally a menu item (Code > Preferences > Telemetry):

https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/getstarted/telemetry

You can also dump all possible telemetry events at the command-line.

Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by Tijdreiziger »

lghh wrote: post #246
mmastrac wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or maybe... find a way to not be creepy? They're the ones trying to convince people to move from VSCode.

The amount of data that VSCode collects dwarfs this though.

Source?

Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by zepearl »

sod wrote: post #150
__warlord__ wrote: post #73

I installed this 30 min ago. 1. My M1 temp went from 28c to 60c 2. CPU utilization to 103%? 3. It's using 3.29Gb of RAM And it hasn't changed. With a single python project with 3k lines of code. VSCode sits at 280Mb and CPU temp around 28c. Edit: Vim + SpaceVim sitting at 17Mb :)

While annoying, all intellij EAPs (early access previews) are very cpu intensive, as they run in debug mode by default to create diagnostics and crash reports. Kinda similar like if you would keep the debugger open in your browser. Not sure if you can disable it, but thats the main reason why I stopped using EAPs for work. But the ram is typical intellij, they take what they can get from the OS :)

> But the ram is typical intellij, they take what they can get from the OS :)

Aha, thanks! I was wondering about that (using CLion 2021.3 with Rust plugin with currently a tiny test project open, currently using 2.3 GiB RAM, puah)... .

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Post by geodel »

pjmlp wrote: post #226
das_keyboard wrote: post #57

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Sounds like an even worse nightmare! Every developer has their own way of being productive which involves different tools & software. Forcing everyone to use one standardized environment sounds horrible.

Any developer that is willing to face the legal consequences of installing software that causes business damages, can go ahead and work around the system.

Sounds like there could be a middle path. Instead one fixed dev image, there can be base image + inventory of other software, where free ones anyone can install. Paid ones need approval and/or decision who will pay for it. But IT department is surely not one I imagine that can create decent inventory. So there needs be a catalog for such things which companies can purchase or subscribe.

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Post by Tijdreiziger »

rob74 wrote: post #28
pjmlp wrote: post #26

JetBrains trying to fight back Visual Studio Code taking over their market share.

The main difference between VS Code and the various JetBrains IDEs is that for VS Code, you have to find and install the relevant plugins for your use case yourself, whereas the various JetBrains IDEs tend to work out of the box (while still supporting plugins). That's usually the difference between most free/open source solutions and commercial software: you can do mostly the same with the open source alternative, y…

In my experience it’s the opposite. In VSCode, when you open, say, a .py file for the first time, you automatically get prompted to install the Python plugin. With the JetBrains suite you would have to manually install PyCharm.

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Post by no_wizard »

bluelightning2k wrote: post #95

I have read all the comments on this thread. I'm fascinated by people's thoughts of VSC Vs JetBrains. It seems the consensus is that JB is better, except for web platform? Maybe this is because TypeScript is an excellent language server

I don't know if it even wins there, to be honest. I'd say they're on par if anything, with a slight edge to JetBrains, as they have better support built-in vs needing plugins.

I'm a long time JetBrains user though, so I admit upfront I may have some bias here.

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Post by nobleach »

tasubotadas wrote: post #225
nobleach wrote: post #219

I had high hopes that JetBrains would relent on their decision to avoid implementing a Language Server Protocol server. There is a 3rd party implementation out there, but it needs a lot of help. I realize this cuts into their core business... but it'd sure make using Vim to write Kotlin a more pleasant experience.

Never seen language server come even close to what intellij offers.

While that's absolutely true, I'd be totally fine with what an LSP _does_ offer. Auto imports, go to definition, list usages, etc. I don't need the heavy refactoring tools.

Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by chunkyks »

ZeroCool2u wrote: post #202
topka wrote: post #145

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[JetBrains employee] In the future Fleet will be able to update itself. Right now, we use Toolbox App as it can do Fleet updates easier.

I personally love Toolbox in our corporate environment. I just wish it would default to using system proxy settings on Windows and propagate Proxy settings to the IDE's it installs by default.

And a better way to handle certs for it, and all the IDEs, behind a corporate MITM SSL proxy would really improve my day.
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