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Doesn't always mean the same thing, "managing out" could mean firing, but it could also mean creating an inhospitable environment for work, like demotion, allocating drudge work, removing responsibilities, etc. To manage them out of the company "by their own choice", which is unfortunately just as bad if not worse.
I recall reading somewhere that this is the way orgs get rid of tenured workers. They can’t be fired outright, so the org creates a lot of little micro-aggressions that cause them to yearn for release from the torment.
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Even including the retail employees, Apple's footprint is barely double the size of Facebook. I agree that it's really bizarre how wasteful FB's operations seem to be compared to Apple's. What an unimaginative company...
But it creates jobs?
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#253With everyone criticizing Facebook for bad it is for society, are there examples of Social Networks that you think do good?
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“Manage out” sounds suspiciously like “constructive dismissal” to me. Not only unethical but illegal to varying degrees across many jurisdictions. Could get pricey!
There's a massive difference between constructive dismissal and managing out. Managing out can often be as simple as a manager saying "Hey, your performance isn't great your not on course to get any bonus or raise this year" and the employee deciding "Fuck this, I'm off". Instead of in normal times, where you're trying to retain people and the conversation is often "Hey, you're making really good progress but there's…
It is dishonesty in the service of profit, the simplest type of corruption available. Euphemisms are always just euphemisms.
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#255With everyone criticizing Facebook for bad it is for society, are there examples of Social Networks that you think do good?
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This I think is a bit like the "IQ selection" phenomenon, where if we suppose IQ actually measures (say,) test-taking ability rather than some complex notion of intelligence... then we find places that try to filter on IQ (law schools, med schools, FAANG) end up selecting for uncreative kinds of intelligence. As a bold, perhaps wrong hypothesis, this might be in play here. We have the very best leet-coders, but the v…
Probably if you filter by raw IQ (either yours or others definition) you would get a lot of imaginative people as most intellectual faculties are positively correlated with each others. On the other hand if it turns out that you are actually filtering by "willingness to take years of testing" then you might get different results
That's a very useful signal still. Willingness to takes years of testing signals willingness to subjugate oneself to lots of unpleasant crap for money and prestige, which is something FAANGs are happy to see in their workers.
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#257They going to carry that culture into any new company they go. You can already feel the likes of discord getting dark patterned, ABtested and starting to die. Sorry to say it, but no matter the skill, if you worked at FB, you might not actually be a culture fit for many companys, who want to grow beyond local minima.
...and yet, you seem entirely focused on front-end development. "Dark patterns" aren't even an operative concept in infra. It's "not even wrong" territory. I worked on storage at FB for 3.5 years. It was very little different than the work I'd done at a dozen other companies over three decades. For the first half it was literally the same role on the same open-source project I'd worked on at Red Hat. For the second half the only real differences were scale and some details of interacting with other infra (as would be the case for any job/project anywhere). How does any of that make me any less of a culture fit at another company than I was before?
It's a moot point for me personally because I left by retiring, but this "permanently tainted" attitude needs to die. It's the basis of every "ism" that afflicts society. Either people can change or they can't. If they can, they can change back or even go beyond where they were before. If they can't, then there was never an issue to begin with. Either way, permanent hate is not going to improve the world.
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#258Facebook employs over 58K people. This is not a big deal especially considering tech went on a * massive* hiring binge recently. [0] Facebook had a recruiting crisis in 2021: https://www.protocol.com/workplace/facebook-docs-hiring-recr... [1] Facebook aimed to hire 10K Europeans for metaverse in 2021: https://www.reuters.com/technology/facebook-plans-hire-10000... People underestimate just how much COVID and the rapi…
12 000 people out of 58 000 is “not a big deal”? It’s especially a big deal in the context of Facebook’s decline and bleak outlook. They’ve been outcompeted by TikTok, and their bet on VR looks misguided. Facebook look doomed, and this is a big step in that direction.
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#259The more precise title from the referenced article from two days ago: > Facebook is conducting 'quiet layoffs' by urging managers to label a certain number of workers as underperforming. The moves may lead to thousands of job cuts.
Isn't this illegal? Like redundancies are treated differently from firing due to failing job duties normally.
It's actually a very tricky question. If the bonuses, perks, etc. for everyone are lowered, such that those at the low end cross the threshold of wanting to leave, then it's probably legal. If people at that low end are singled out for poor treatment, then it might be "constructive dismissal" and thus illegal in most jurisdictions. Facebook is probably treading as close to that line as they can, or (even more likely) stepping just a bit over and relying on lawyers to keep it from becoming too expensive. This is the barrier that class-action suits are meant to overcome, BTW.
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#260They going to carry that culture into any new company they go. You can already feel the likes of discord getting dark patterned, ABtested and starting to die. Sorry to say it, but no matter the skill, if you worked at FB, you might not actually be a culture fit for many companys, who want to grow beyond local minima.