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Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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I don't get the point obsessive need for more Twitter, or the need for a protocol. Honestly I think the world needs less connectivity, with more thought going into communication

We already have the internet where anyone can go an put something up for people to see

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Can someone invite me to mastodon.technology? Email on my profile.

I like your earnest request. I’ve followed mastodon for a while but have never known anyone else who uses it so didn’t get into a particular server. All the public servers didn’t really seem interesting to me. So this seemed like a problem for me as a loner as the people I actually knew weren’t going to join. Twitter, for all its flaws, is dead simple to join and start yelling.

Unless you dont have a telephone, like me. You get to sign up, then inevitably after your first tweet your account is flagged for review, requiring phone to interact further.

I don't have a phone, I'm Amish, I just wanted an account to see the 4th and 5th posts in a "twitter thread" someone posted to HN and it keeps locking the screen with a signup/login modal after I scroll to the 3rd tweet in the thread.

After a while I just wonder if I'm not the target audience and move on, found nitter.net so that's neat.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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post #147

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A CEO is just an employee, paid by the shareholders to do the job shareholders want him to do. Usually, the job is "get us rich". The CEO can do a lot of things regarding the company direction, but it has to match the shareholders goals. Generally, if it doesn't make profit short term or long term, it is unacceptable, and here, Jack Dorsey essentially wants to kill Twitter as a company, so of course he can't do that.…

A CEO is not “just an employee”, even when they are not a founder. You don’t get to accept that much power and that much money and then pass off any responsibility because you have someone to answer to. Like really, if we accept that proposition how would society function? Youd have people in charge of tens to hundreds of thousands of peoples daily lives and output who just pass the buck on any issues because they go…

That seems like an uncharitable interpretation of what the OP wrote. Obviously, employees have varying degrees of power in any given company, not just the CEO. A team lead, a director, a middle manager, and so on all have varying degrees of power within an organization (at least on paper; we can speak of influence that isn't formalized). The point the OP was making is that because CEOs are ultimately employees, the same basic relevant "rules" or expectations apply to them by virtue of their employee relationship. That doesn't automatically excuse them of any wrongdoing. All employees share some responsibility and some culpability (though this part is more complex) in a company's operations. Indeed, CEOs are generally more responsible for the company's direction than any other employee, and they must assent to what the shareholders are asking them to do.

(Also, you've unfairly maligned monarchies. Monarchies are not by their nature despotic, though they can be as can other forms of government. And if you want to make the analogy, then most companies are closer to monarchies than to democratic republics in the sense that at most companies, you don't have a say in who is CEO, for example.)

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Is he talking about ActivityPub[1, 2] and the Fediverse[3]? Just look at Mastodon[4, 5] if you're looking for something like twitter without the centralization and the corporate greed. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActivityPub [2] https://activitypub.rocks [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastodon_(software) [5] https://joinmastodon.org/servers

My main issue with Mastodon is that your identity is tied to whatever instance you signed up with. So if I sign up at example.social I will be bob@example.social. If the moderators ban me or the instance stops working I am losing all my tweets and followers. Ideally you would sign up with your own domain (bob@mydomain.com) and point some dns records to whichever instance you want, this way you stay flexible and you o…

Identity is always an issue in a decentralized systems. DNS can be used but not everybody owns a domain name. Ultimately if you want to keep your identity over a federated network you have to rely on an identity provider : Government issued, centralized platform that act as Id Provider (facebook, github, google, etc). I'm not aware of decentralized provider, maybe in a blockchain, there are a lot of writings on the topic: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S10848...

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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post #251

I don't get the point obsessive need for more Twitter, or the need for a protocol. Honestly I think the world needs less connectivity, with more thought going into communication We already have the internet where anyone can go an put something up for people to see

>I think the world needs less connectivity

Enthusiastic yes here on that one. Internet was a great thing but its ubiquity outpaced our maturity to use it responsibly.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A CEO is just an employee, paid by the shareholders to do the job shareholders want him to do. Usually, the job is "get us rich". The CEO can do a lot of things regarding the company direction, but it has to match the shareholders goals. Generally, if it doesn't make profit short term or long term, it is unacceptable, and here, Jack Dorsey essentially wants to kill Twitter as a company, so of course he can't do that.…

That's right, CEO needs to focus on those quarterly numbers. For example, Apple should never have let that phone operation cannibalize their perfectly good music player business. Total mistake to let a CEO have that much control and "vision."

I don't think this argument is in good faith. Generally, a CEO does need to focus on the fundamentals of a company. Answering to investors ultimately means answering to a group of individuals or who are more or less interested in the long-term outlook of a company. The stock price is a function of future cash flows (or is when the market is rational), and I find it hard to believe that people don't expect some sort of innovation/R&D investment to protect and maintain those cash flows.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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I know they are talking about new sexy distributed / federated stuff, but we actually had what they were talking about a long long time ago, and it was distributed in a very similar way - orgs, corps and just plain people used to run NNTP and IRC servers as they pleased, and cooperated with each other as they wanted. Glad to see good ideas don't die, they just get reinvented.

see also matrix/element, xmpp, jabber and probably many more

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Yeah, seeing these texts where a board member discussed starting a competitor certainly raised my eyebrows

He also plainly stated that the thing he wants to start is a protocol, not a company, so it is hard to class it as “a competitor” in the traditional sense. Does gmail compete with smtp?

> He also plainly stated that the thing he wants to start is a protocol…

Yes, but not that one. He wants a protocol he can monetize using various forms of Web3 grifts.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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It's so obvious that Musk was not really interested. The social balance was totally non-existent in this conversation. Musk's one line replies sound so generic. Seems like he wanted to keep the door open but Dorsey hadn't convinced him really yet. "I'd like to help if I can" is such a without obligation sentence. Then Jack replies with another well-designed text.

It certainly seems this way. But something must've changed later on, otherwise Musk wouldn't have tried to buy Twitter.
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