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Re: Mozilla claims Apple, Google and Microsoft force users to use default browsers

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Post by tinus_hn »

sshine wrote: post #240
dpkirchner wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's definitely broken, but apparently by design. It's a deliberbug.

Microsoft is full of those. When you enter your birthday during Windows installation (yes, you have to have a Microsoft network account to log in to your own computer, and you have to supply a birthday), the button for confirming the date is a small, grey checkmark hiding below the date picker. Clicking the big, blue “Continue” button in the lower corner will discard your date choice (since it wasn’t picked) and then…

You don’t have to use a Microsoft account if you’re installing Windows 10 and it doesn’t have an internet connection when you run the wizard.

Re: Mozilla claims Apple, Google and Microsoft force users to use default browsers

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Post by foepys »

ht85 wrote: post #140
arnvald wrote: post #3

They're right, recently I've installed some Windows update for my parents and I had to reject like 5 suggested changes - installing Office trial, switching default browser to Edge yet again, and more. But this goes way beyond the browsers - I've never explicitly installed Keychain on my iphone and yet it shows as an option next to 1password every time I fill in a password field. Google calendar asks me to install an…

The win11 / Edge bullshit finally pushed me to migrate my last win machine to linux. I used to love Windows, nowadays it just makes me bitter. Do you know typing "torrent" in the start menu doesn't find "qbittorrent"? In 2022. It sums it all. And the acquisitions... I've had countless minecraft sessions ruined because of microsoft account / store issues. Don't even get me started on realms and the chat policing bulls…

> Do you know typing "torrent" in the start menu doesn't find "qbittorrent"? In 2022. It sums it all.

It's even worse. I want to open Notepad++ and begin to type

N -> notepad.exe

No -> notepad.exe

Not -> Notepad++

Note -> notepad.exe

Notep -> Notepad++

Notepa -> Notepad++

Notepad -> notepad.exe

The times I actually wanted to open notepad.exe is exactly 0 but the stupid algorithm sees me mistakenly opening notepad.exe because of the aforementioned stupid algorithm and recommends it even more often. It's like it's designed to create the most annoying search experience possible.

Re: Mozilla claims Apple, Google and Microsoft force users to use default browsers

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Post by pabs3 »

g_p wrote: post #12

One of the next frontiers as a barrier to browser switching will be "software"-backed WebAuthn/FIDO2/"passkeys". If you look at the APIs available on MacOS/iOS at present [0], and how WebAuthn works, you need to "trust" the client-side software to correctly identify the site origin (i.e. protocol, domain, port) and pass it to a physical security key. In the case of a software token, you need to restrict which app(s)…

You can use an open source virtual FIDO device instead of Apple's implementation:

https://github.com/bulwarkid/virtual-fido/

Re: Mozilla claims Apple, Google and Microsoft force users to use default browsers

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Post by pabs3 »

g_p wrote: post #46
thewebcount wrote: post #26

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This has existed for years. I use 1Password for all my passwords and it shows up as an option when entering or creating a password in any browser on iOS. Furthermore, all browser can access the keychain if the user authorizes it.

Passkeys are a little different - at heart, you can export or write down (on paper, if it comes to it) your passwords, and then import them into another password manager if you choose to. If you want to move from the built-in keychain to 1Password, you can do an export/import operation, and have your passwords in 1Password. You inherently can't copy-paste a passkey, since it's an asymmetric public/private keypair aut…

Apple are allowing those private keys to be synced to iCloud and I thought also synced to other devices a person owns.

Re: Mozilla claims Apple, Google and Microsoft force users to use default browsers

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Post by pabs3 »

andy_xor_andrew wrote: post #27

Does Firefox have a future? I'm writing this from Firefox, having used it ever since the days when Firefox releases used to have launch parties, and tabs was the revolutionary killer feature. Let me rephrase the question: does Gecko/Spidermonkey have a future? I think it's clear the Firefox branding will live on, since it is Mozilla's crown jewel. But in today's landscape, you can target WebKit (Apple) and V8/Blink (…

I wonder when Mozilla will make Gecko/Spidermonkey useful for other browsers, like WebKit seems to be.

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Post by tingol »

hunter-gatherer wrote: post #85
smoldesu wrote: post #54

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Well, I guess the NSA makes the most sense. They've been integrated into the corporate structure of FAANG for over a decade now, and they're the primary government entity making demands over this stuff. The who is a lot harder to track down - maybe there is a Wizard of Oz hiding behind one of our administrative curtains, but I think it's more of a bureaucratic process. Judging by what we know about America's surveill…

I'm sure I'll get downvoted for this and not believed by hardly anyone on this crowd so I'll keep it short and without evidence, only testimony: I was a US intelligence officer for some time. Not woth NSA, but did a lot of work with NSA, CIA, and the Bureau. The involvement between the US intelligence agencies and FAANG (in terms of the rough narrative involved) is a lot less impressive and threatening than people he…

So where were you exactly when PRISM was sweeping info from all tech companies?

Re: Mozilla claims Apple, Google and Microsoft force users to use default browsers

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Post by aeharding »

foepys wrote: post #252
ht85 wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The win11 / Edge bullshit finally pushed me to migrate my last win machine to linux. I used to love Windows, nowadays it just makes me bitter. Do you know typing "torrent" in the start menu doesn't find "qbittorrent"? In 2022. It sums it all. And the acquisitions... I've had countless minecraft sessions ruined because of microsoft account / store issues. Don't even get me started on realms and the chat policing bulls…

> Do you know typing "torrent" in the start menu doesn't find "qbittorrent"? In 2022. It sums it all. It's even worse. I want to open Notepad++ and begin to type N -> notepad.exe No -> notepad.exe Not -> Notepad++ Note -> notepad.exe Notep -> Notepad++ Notepa -> Notepad++ Notepad -> notepad.exe The times I actually wanted to open notepad.exe is exactly 0 but the stupid algorithm sees me mistakenly opening notepad.exe…

Ugh, Apple is guilty of this too in spotlight search. Actually worse, because it randomly changes after maybe 500ms, randomly, after typing a character, sometimes.

  N    -> OneNote.app
       -> Then (maybe) quickly changes to Notes
  No   -> Notes.app
       -> Then (maybe) changes to OneNote
  Not  -> OneNote.app
  Note -> Notes.app
etc

Re: Mozilla claims Apple, Google and Microsoft force users to use default browsers

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Post by judge2020 »

tomComb wrote: post #135
kitsunesoba wrote: post #37

While Google, Microsoft, and Apple clearly factor into the equation here (especially Google — when Chrome first came out the marketing for it was a real force to contend with, and they've aggressively pushed Chrome ever since), the other big thing is that Mozilla ceased to be a leader. They started chasing Chrome and put Firefox on the back burner, and now they're reaping what they've sown. I am a huge proponent of w…

Google pushing their product while allowing anyone to easily change default browser on Android is called competition. Somehow though, that is the worst for you, while Apple simply blocking any competition on iOS (everything is Safari under the hood) is fine. The amazing thing is that you say you are a huge fan of engine diversity - exactly what Apple is totally blocking. Not much Firefox can do with their engine when…

> while Apple simply blocking any competition on iOS (everything is Safari under the hood) is fine.

I see people using Chrome on iOS - they use it not because they think they're running Blink/V8, they use it because Google brings their own password syncing and UI to it. Same for something like Firefox Focus.

Is it really anticompetitive if allowing a different rendering engine would result in less than (maybe) 0.01% of users actually switching due to the change?

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Post by leetcrew »

sshine wrote: post #247
leetcrew wrote: post #224

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I'm one of those weird people that genuinely enjoys using windows as my main OS. vc++ and c# stuff is very nice on that OS, but I still feel like wsl is a bit like shoving a square peg into a round hole. too often, things that "just work" on a full-fledged linux install fail on wsl for some obscure reason. my solution is to use windows for GUI things, and a remote linux instance for actual building/running/deploying…

Is running a VirtualBox and sharing the work folder too slow?

probably not for most use cases, but I build some fairly large projects. it's nice to interact with a 16C/32T xeon node through an ultrabook. downloading tools/assets runs at the speed of the datacenter link rather than coffeeshop wifi. if nothing else, my battery lasts longer this way.

Re: Mozilla claims Apple, Google and Microsoft force users to use default browsers

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Post by phist_mcgee »

speeder wrote: post #107

One of the things that piss me off is that sometimes even forks are not accepted. For example Formula 1 TV doesn't work on my SmartTV or on some of my browsers despite them being forks of Chrome, where it works just fine. Not only that, it used to work there in the past, what happened is now it actively detects if the browser is a real Google Chrome from Google (not a recompiled version), and refuse to work otherwise…

You're lucky you even get Formula 1 TV.

In australia, you are forced to purchase a streaming package from Foxtel (Australian version of sky).

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