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US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years

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Re: US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years

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Treat every phone as a burner.

Pretty difficult with 2FA

I use a cloud based TOTP(bitwarden) for exactly this reason. I don't store credentials there.

Sure, I've made my attack surface larger, but for me beats having to call, email, or be screwed when I lose access to my phone.

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Zuckerberg is illegally interfering with elections in Washington state and elsewhere. Honestly this is mor concerning. As we've learned over the past year, there's no recourse for private infringement of human rights. At least with the government you have someone to complain to

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Haha, just 5 minutes ago I read a story about Iranian 'hacker' who wrote a ransomware note in Microsoft Word, so the file metadata contained his full name :)

Similar SecOps problems happened to both John McAfee and the Silk Road founder. As far as I remember, McAfee shared an iPhone photo with location metadata when he was in Belize, so American authorities were able to track him down. The Silk Road founder had some sort of PHP coding error which led police to his San Francisco location. That is, you could simply visit the Silk Road home page and his location leaked. So y…

It was actually Vice that did the McAfee leak, with a Vice employee phone. [0]

[0] https://www.wired.com/2012/12/oops-did-vice-just-give-away-j...

Re: US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years

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Terrifying for only 2 reasons: 1. Any malicious person savvy enough to pull off a crime of interest to the Feds is smart enough to provide a wiped or burner phone to DHS/ICE, and they have to know this. So, what is the point in doing this if not to target law abiding citizens. 2. USGOV has a spotty track record of keeping this information secure. A foreign actor is likely to access this info eventually. As one former…

> 1. Any malicious person savvy enough to pull off a crime of interest to the Feds is smart enough to provide a wiped or burner phone to DHS/ICE, and they have to know this. So, what is the point in doing this if not to target law abiding citizens. This isn't even remotely true. See for example the recent Anom honeypot[1]. Criminals do more or less the same things that ordinary citizens do, and often have strictly wo…

>> It's simply an unnecessary risk to keep this much data around for this long.

Statement is 3 words too long.

Re: US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years

#255

This happened to me in 2016 crossing into Canada. Borders agents took my phone for no reason, demand I give them the password to unlock it (otherwise they would seize the phone), took it in the back for 45 min before returning it and letting me enter. I think it’s obvious they took all my data. So now when I travel I just bring my “travel” phone with no sensitive data on it.

> Borders agents took my phone...

Which countries agents? You were going from US to Canada. Were they Canadian or US agents?

Re: US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years

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Terrifying for only 2 reasons: 1. Any malicious person savvy enough to pull off a crime of interest to the Feds is smart enough to provide a wiped or burner phone to DHS/ICE, and they have to know this. So, what is the point in doing this if not to target law abiding citizens. 2. USGOV has a spotty track record of keeping this information secure. A foreign actor is likely to access this info eventually. As one former…

> 1. Any malicious person savvy enough to pull off a crime of interest to the Feds is smart enough to provide a wiped or burner phone to DHS/ICE, and they have to know this. So, what is the point in doing this if not to target law abiding citizens. This isn't even remotely true. See for example the recent Anom honeypot[1]. Criminals do more or less the same things that ordinary citizens do, and often have strictly wo…

Ah, so criminals that get busted follow poor practices that lead to them getting busted. Not sure what this has to do with criminals at large, you know, the ones that do stuff like use a safe phone when traveling abroad.

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Even if you are a person who will never in your life end up as any kind of person of interest for the government, handing over data in this way could still be quite dangerous. Phones will often contain data that can facilitate theft and fraud if ending up in the wrong hands. If they're able to copy everything, including private data from all apps that could be quite bad. For example many countries now use apps to log…

they are also tracking if women are pregnant when they travel so if you miscarry you go to jail

Re: US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years

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Do they do this with laptops too? If not, the laziness of assuming everything is on the phone is amusing.

And I'm still waiting for someone to explain how that works with employer gear. I'm guessing my corporate compliance team will not be pleased if I tell them someone made copies of all the companies data...even if it is uncle sam. Like what does one do in that situation? Can't really agree. At the same time US border staff is not known for their understanding nature when it comes to saying no.

Any reason why you can't ask your corporate compliance team for guidance on this issue, well before the date when you might cross the boarder?

Re: US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years

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>>So, what is the point in doing this if not to target law abiding citizens. It's the old rule known to governments all over the world - there is no such thing as an innocent citizen, there is only a citizen who you haven't investigated enough. Call me cynical but storing ALL of your digital data allows the agencies to basically find something, anything, that will allow them to further blackmail you into complying. E…

The criminal should have the strongest civil rights protections, so hands will be tied should the government try to go after inconvenient citizens.

No in the USA. We have rights on paper, but the threat of the trial tax convinced most to waive all of their rights in a plea agreement. That takes away things like their right to appeal their sentence, challenge illegal police behavior, etc. What would you pick? Keep your rights but face the entire weight of the US Government with unlimited budget and risk 20-40 years, or a plea for 3-5? All you have to do is give up all your rights. 95% pick to give up their rights.

Plea agreements were illegal up until the 70s for a reason.

Re: US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 1. Any malicious person savvy enough to pull off a crime of interest to the Feds is smart enough to provide a wiped or burner phone to DHS/ICE, and they have to know this. So, what is the point in doing this if not to target law abiding citizens. This isn't even remotely true. See for example the recent Anom honeypot[1]. Criminals do more or less the same things that ordinary citizens do, and often have strictly wo…

Ah, so criminals that get busted follow poor practices that lead to them getting busted. Not sure what this has to do with criminals at large, you know, the ones that do stuff like use a safe phone when traveling abroad.

This is unfalsifiable: are you saying that there's some unquantifiable number of perfectly competent criminals? How would we go about verifying that?

On an individual level, I am positive that there are criminals that escape the (not particularly competent) techniques of DHS/CBP. But the GP's claim (that Federal criminals are, as a category, completely above and beyond this kind of enforcement) is just not true.

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