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Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by fabian2k »

serpix wrote: post #209
madduci wrote: post #170

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As household made of 4 persons, with me permanently in Home-Office, have a consumption of roughly ~2300kWh/year, including heating, in Germany. Waschmaschine and Dryer are almost on a daily basis used (the dryer is used less during hot season) If you tend to buy energetic-efficient devices, your power bill is lower, in front of higher costs for the equipment.

I have major problems believing those numbers. Hot water alone eats up that much per year.

Hot water is often heated by gas, not electricity in Germany. Gas usage is counted and billed separately from electricity.

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Post by phh »

adrianN wrote: post #51
tpmx wrote: post #37

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"We are going to have a severe lack of energy, so shutting down nuclear power plants is likely the least of our issues"? I'm afraid I don't follow the logic here.

Homes are heated with gas, not with nuclear power. Industrial processes run on gas, not on nuclear power.

If there's no gas, most homes can heat with electricity. Turn on your oven, your gaming console, your TV, open your fridge's door, etc. Also as I understand it, it's much easier to do rolling blackouts on electricity than on gas, so gas will be more likely to fail for a long time than electricity.

Most industrial processes can be stopped without endangering people.

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by mschuster91 »

tjansen wrote: post #250
mschuster91 wrote: post #199

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> While this is true, they have always been in favour of shutting down nuclear power plants and now they would have the opportunity to reverse this course, but they don't. Because nuclear does not make sense. The financial risk of accidents at a Fukushima or Chernobyl scale is too high (as no insurer will take on that risk, the taxpayers will have to pay for it, and as the Ukraine invasion and the fighting around Che…

> Because nuclear does not make sense. Assuming your three points would be solved, would you be in favour of nuclear power plants? Or what exactly would need to change?

I would of course not be in favor of nuclear power. A new nuclear plant takes well over a decade to build - it makes way more economical sense to build renewable power plants because they can be ready far faster and pose less danger and waste to our children.

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by phh »

adrianN wrote: post #84
BjoernKW wrote: post #79

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Problem is, without nuclear power, they will have to resort to generating power from natural gas instead of using that gas for heating, which will in turn have problems compound.

Right now gas plants are running to stabilize the grid in France...

Uh, as far as I know, that's forever been the case? Nuclear is too slow to react to events, so we always need some safety margin that gas can provide?

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by mathieuh »

mijamo wrote: post #236
gmac wrote: post #231

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I find people’s continued use of tumble dryers pretty surprising. The air will do it for free! We have a space-efficient drying rack so we can dry indoors.

Air drying clothes indoor is pretty bad. It is slow, takes space, and leaves textile in a bad state (at least for cotton and wool). Drying outside is good but not possible everywhere and not always. Also things like sheets and towels really should not be left to dry indoor.

I live in a place where it rains all the time and the driest month in terms of humidity is 80%, sometimes if I can’t hang things outside clothes take so long to dry inside that I end up having to wash them again because they start to smell

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by extropy »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #208
mschuster91 wrote: post #127

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> Can you elaborate on the problems with France? 80% of their power is generated by nuclear. Of their nuclear plants, way over half the fleet has been offline for months because of inspections and sometimes substantial damages from age-related corrosion issues [1], and the other half is severely limited or cut off as well because the rivers that they depend on for cooling can't keep up [2]. And since the entire conti…

Long term, the merit order makes sense. All those plants make the max price, so if you can think of a way to cheaply generate power when it is expensive you get paid the high gas price up until all gas is removed from the market. Short term, if a war or embargo is driving up gas prices, it still makes sense to charge high prices, because that gives people an incentive to not use electricity and so saves on the restri…

Are you sure all plants get to sell at spot price?

Doesn't that encourage collusion to generate artificial scarcity - all participants benefit from it?

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by ivan_gammel »

odshoifsdhfs wrote: post #246
ivan_gammel wrote: post #211

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>With number 25 on cars per capita in the world For one of the richest countries with one of the biggest car industries being only 25th is a great achievement in mobility. Yes, we could do better, but just compare it to the default country (#7 in car ownership, #2 if you exclude microstates). >obesity rates above average than EU 47th in the global ranking, after Iceland. And USA is right after Oceania. It depends on…

It isn't about the absolute numbers (even though they aren't 'good' for Germany specially if you remove micro/extreme poor states), is the 'holier than thou' attitude from Germans. It's like an obese person going to the morbidly obese: 'here we don't stuff our mouths with food like you' while having no sense that they are just in a slightly better state than the ones they are chastising.

I do not understand your argument. We do not use personal cars as often as USA or some other countries, instead relying more on public transportation and bikes - as a result, electricity costs for transportation are quite low for individual households. What's your point? That less than 25% of population do not eat healthy and this is somehow relevant to the conversation?

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by boredumb »

polycaster wrote: post #213
locallost wrote: post #202

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That's pretty crazy. We used to spend 1400 KWh as a family of three. Didn't check the latest numbers as a family of four, but I don't expect a lot more. We even cook / bake a lot. What on earth are people spending electricity on?

> What on earth are people spending electricity on? I guess there are just a lot more appliances in use today and we're more lazy. When I, approaching my 40s, compare our household with my parents household when I was a child there a various notable changes in habits: - My mother hang the loundry to dry. We seldomly do this anymore, instead we're using a dryer. These things are insanely power-hungry. - Electronics fo…

Why are ACs awkward in Germany?
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