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SpaceX, T-Mobile to connect satellites to cellphones in remote areas

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Re: SpaceX, T-Mobile to connect satellites to cellphones in remote areas

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Not really. Apple gives T-Mobile the hostnames/IP addresses they use for iMessage, and T-Mobile configures their APN to only allow connections to those addresses. There's a lot that happens on the backend for cell data to work that consumers don't see.

They need to know more about the payload, so that they don't try to upload a video through starling, for instance.

Already solved on in-flight wifi.

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I believe this is SpaceX trying to stay one step ahead of Apple. Anyone else remember this strange rumor about iPhones including satellite capability a year ago? https://www.macrumors.com/2021/08/29/iphone-13-to-feature-le... Now you have Apple’s event in a couple weeks themed “Far Out” with space pictures. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Apple announced something similar, possibly with Globalstar instead. Of cours…

Apple phones are a lot less ubiquitous than general cell phones. Anything with an antenna and a (e)SIM card can get access to the T-mobile network, so what Apple is providing might be nice but I can't see how they compete at the level SpaceX can. And the global regulatory approvals needed will be a problem for everyone.

They could put-compete if they can create an iPhone with extra powerful antennas or other hardware. Like they always do- own the full stack to allow it to work better.

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Yes, that's what I said. Edit: Downvotes are happening for some reason. "most likely" and "I would expect" mean basically the same thing unless we're playing grammar police. The entire point of my above post was to deny the fact that they "did not disclose specific pricing". That was the part that was incorrect that I was correcting, as shown in the long form direct quote.

> "most likely" and "I would expect" mean basically the same thing And so does just saying the claim with no qualifiers. Of course when you’re making a claim you’re expressing that you expect it to be the case with high likelihood. That’s what making a claim is.

I have no idea what you're saying. My ONLY point was that it wasn't unknown pricing data, it was stated to be free.

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I find this completely false, messaging anyone on a non-iPhone (from my iPhone) is a complete disaster. Pictures / texts randomly fail to send, videos turn to 12 pixel noise, it’s so bad that an entire generation of people have friend groups that apple / android only because communication between the two phones is so bad.

> I find this completely false, messaging anyone on a non-iPhone (from my iPhone) is a complete disaster. You should complain to your carrier. I'm on at least 5 different active text chains at any given time (family, friend groups, school parents) with a mix of devices, and it all works fine. > …videos turn to 12 pixel noise… That's an MMS limitation. If you regularly send videos, you'll want to use WhatsApp or some…

iPhones are stuck with MMS limitations because Apple won't support RCS.

Re: SpaceX, T-Mobile to connect satellites to cellphones in remote areas

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Yes if the SpaceX service succeeds it's kind of a death knell for the likes of AST SpaceMobile and Iridium.

Most telcos like to have two or more vendors and almost all large terrestrial networks are built with equipment from at least two vendors. If space based cellular service is viable with good adoption. History says operators will want at least two providers because having only one vendor is risky.

I wish others aren't US based for that reason.

Re: SpaceX, T-Mobile to connect satellites to cellphones in remote areas

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I believe this is SpaceX trying to stay one step ahead of Apple. Anyone else remember this strange rumor about iPhones including satellite capability a year ago? https://www.macrumors.com/2021/08/29/iphone-13-to-feature-le... Now you have Apple’s event in a couple weeks themed “Far Out” with space pictures. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Apple announced something similar, possibly with Globalstar instead. Of cours…

Today's announcement says my existing T-Mobile phone already had satellite capability!! They just need to get the satellites up.

And your existing Tesla can do FSD with its current sensor package. Any day now.

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> Included for free with most T-Mobile plans other than the cheapest plans This is big. Only concerning part seems to be the large antenna required on the satellites, which would probably incur some extra scrutiny by regulators, but IMO the benefits of something like this far exceed the downsides.

Why would large antennas require scrutiny by regulators?

A combination of orbital debris and astronomy issues. A big antenna means it's more likely to be hit by other satellites, and it'll be brighter.

There's a good chance this might mean these are limited to the ~350 KM shells, which will deorbit faster (limiting debris risk), and will go into sunset sooner.

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Color me not the least impressed. I pay $200/month for my family to use T-Mobile. Data barely works in my backyard--and I'm one city over from their headquarters. I've called them and I've Tweeted. They energetically tell me they're taking action and... nothing happens.

So why haven’t you switched carriers already?

I would love to but it’s a long-term contract

Re: SpaceX, T-Mobile to connect satellites to cellphones in remote areas

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Today's announcement says my existing T-Mobile phone already had satellite capability!! They just need to get the satellites up.

And your existing Tesla can do FSD with its current sensor package. Any day now.

My current Tesla started doing FSD almost a year ago.

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Color me not the least impressed. I pay $200/month for my family to use T-Mobile. Data barely works in my backyard--and I'm one city over from their headquarters. I've called them and I've Tweeted. They energetically tell me they're taking action and... nothing happens.

Have you considered a CellSpot? It served me well in the days when my phone didn't support Wi-Fi calling.

That is a good suggestion, thank you. Unfortunately when I’m out of the backyard it means I am doing a ton of work that doesn’t benefit by my carrying an extra device around
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