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Effects of large vehicles on pedestrian and pedal-cyclist injury severity

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Re: Effects of large vehicles on pedestrian and pedal-cyclist injury severity

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The sad thing is that at least some part of the growth of vehicles on the road is because few people can afford to own (and park) multiple cars or other vehicles larger than a bike. I have to move 3 kids and 2 adults regularly over longer distances, so I am pretty much constrained to a van (say a VW T7). But unfortunately, I cannot afford to accompany this expensive car with a smaller, preferrably electric, vehicle.…

The distance is a choice, mind you. One cargo bike for each adult would otherwise handle the job fine

Distance ain't a choice. Family doesn't live in a single village or city. And no, they're not conveniently close to a train station nor does traveling by train with kids and luggage compete with a car economically and practically.

I really wonder how city-focused one must be to not understand the necessity of regular travels to visit friends and family.

Re: Effects of large vehicles on pedestrian and pedal-cyclist injury severity

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Some poor understanding of physics in many comments. High school physics deals in point masses in vacuums, but people and vehicles are not point masses.

Injury is closely correlated to accelerations applied to various body parts. A sloping hood gives more space to average out the acceleration.

Conversely my stepfather blacked out and fell backwards on a tile floor. A low speed impact with a high acceleration applied to the back of his skull and brain that killed him.

Re: Effects of large vehicles on pedestrian and pedal-cyclist injury severity

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Articles like these make me glad to live in the Netherlands. Here we had "stop de kindermoord" which translates to "stop murdering children" which was aimed at the higher incidence rate of accidents due to motor vehicles. in the abstract they talk about vehicle type, race and other factors while I dont see the real killer anywhere in the abstract or introduction; Speed. Way back during the protest we subsequently figured out how to incorporate cars into cities without accidents.

1) In pedestrian and cycle heavy streets, you reduce the speed to a maximum of 30kmh (~20mph) and sometimes to 10 near schools and residential area's

2) traffic seperation. to improve traffic flow, the dutch governement made sure to always seperate traffic from destinations and only intersect pedestrians and cyclists in the last mile in a 30kmph area.

3) Careful road design. Its really uncomfortable to drive above the speed limit because they narrow roads, add trees, obstacles and turns that are perfectly safe at 30kmph that make driving only safe at the apropriate speeds. adding trees next to roads also increases safety for pedestrians as an offroad car is bound to hit a tree instead of a person.

4) great investment in public transport and highways. Despite everything someone might tell you, the Netherlands is a great country to drive in with the most ridiculous infrastructure to keep traffic flowing.

5) accident investigations. There's safety focused public design. We blame the road for an accident rather than a driver. Because even if someone was wasted drunk, an accident could have killed an innocent person. Therefore the road design can be changed so that even an imcompetent or drunk driver wont harm someone. Also, everyone in a car has the legal responsibility to drive safe when encountering pedestrians because as a heavy vehicle, the onus is on you to not cause damage. even if some cyclist ran a red light. You should have been able to stop.

look up strongtowns for better accessibility for non-dutch speakers.

Re: Effects of large vehicles on pedestrian and pedal-cyclist injury severity

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where did you hear that from? The A-Segment is well alive and thriving: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-segment What I see instead is very small electric vehicles entering the market from new manufacturers --- the market entry hurdle was not the vehicle safety, it was mastering the EURO-6,7,8 and California environmental norms with such a small engine. I'd love to get one of those, or their van equivalents, rather, a…

Toyota Aygo is no longer produced. Replaced by Aygo X - a somewhat bigger car. Renault Twingo is produced, but is not offered in some countries (I know about UK and Poland). Peugeot 108 is no longer produced and AFAIU a successor was cancelled. Same thing for sibling Citroen C1. Aygo was also a sibling model. Suzuki Ignis is a crossover now. Skoda Citigo is no longer produced. Its sibling model VW Up is still produce…

Covid 19 and the western economic crisis certainly had an impact on the a-segment, and vendors have also phased out ICE models indeed. however the "couple of years" is a small number and all vendors are working their ways to provide BEVs into that segment.

also the context of my statement is this thread, and a comment claiming vehicle safety being the problem of the A segment, to which your comment seemed to suggest "yah it's also in decline, see: ..."

to which I dare to claim: nope, it will happily come back as the economy recovers and the top mass producers (TMC, VW, Stellantis, RNM alliance) master BEVs.

Re: Effects of large vehicles on pedestrian and pedal-cyclist injury severity

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With three kids and car seats/boosters, there is no option. You need a minivan or SUV.

So you're saying all those five-seater cars that are being made are for seating five adults but if you have children you need a van?

Yes, unfortunately. Car seats and booster seats are hard items and they don't have joints to move bits out of the way. People are squishy and have moving parts. The adults won't be comfortable if they are thicker, but they can squish in - often, quite literally.

The solution to this would realistically be to have built-in booster seats or a different style of seat belt that would better fit children and eliminate the need for booster seats for the older children.

Re: Effects of large vehicles on pedestrian and pedal-cyclist injury severity

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Honestly as an upper middle class or rich American it looks like one of the more dangerous things you could do is probably go out cycling in a road shared by these monster machines. If you crave physical activity so much there’s many other alternatives. When I lived in College Station Texas I had to use a bike (because I was broke) but I stuck to the sidewalks, rules be damned. And even in the sidewalk had to keep an…

The odds are in your favor to be honest. I live in a city of 4 million people. 10-20 cyclist die a year. I'll roll those dice when the variance is that high. I figure I bike safer than the average biker I see on the road anyhow, so my odds of survival go up even higher. Probably not a small number of those accidents involved intoxicated bikers or mentally ill; I see a lot of people, clearly out of their mind through…

my understanding of helmet studies is that wearing one might help when you fall, but makes it more likely for someone to hit you.

Re: Effects of large vehicles on pedestrian and pedal-cyclist injury severity

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I tend to think of the drivers, not as reacting to threats, but navigating an evolving mental model of their surroundings -- with a primary focus on opportunities rather than threats. The mechanism that updates that model doesn't have "training data" with cyclists in the picture.

again, why do cyclists not provide opportunity/threat data more or less than other cars?

On second thought, maybe it's not all that different. After all, cars run into cars with some regularity.

Re: Effects of large vehicles on pedestrian and pedal-cyclist injury severity

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I admit I fell in a lucky spot, but 12 k€ is just a bit less than what I paid my new Jeep Renegade, so I don't consider it that cheap. > electrified cargo bike Hilly area? Taking children to school or old parent to the doctor's? Not a chance! > stuck to a single car Yes, the SUV. Edit: > if you go for used, you can get cars in good enough shape for less than 5K€. Yeah, that's nicer. Unfortunately, you have to add ins…

> Hilly area? Taking children to school or old parent to the doctor's? Not a chance! https://bikemag.hu/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/P4071422.jpg

Yeah. I've been towing my children to school in a trailer behind my (non-electric) bike. Not particularly difficult, given the route is mostly flat, though I'm grateful it's only a mile and a half each way (I'm old and unfit).

Mind you, there's only one other family that does it. Most people just walk, some drive.

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