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A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by yyyk »

public_defender wrote: post #218
giantg2 wrote: post #141

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And who needs prisons if the private infrastructure becomes so integral to life that they can just shut you out of participating in society.

Unfortunately prisons, which are increasingly private for-profit enterprises, will continue to exist. Think about it: if you're banned from google, how will your body continue to generate revenue?

What makes you think the body is useful? Robots will be able to do everything better, and if not, there'll be no shortage of labour. The body is mostly a cost center. If we strip down the human to a mind in a box it's so much cheaper (and no need for guards either!).

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Post by xtracto »

cletus wrote: post #184

The biggest failure here is Google's continued refusal to segment their services and this has been a problem since at least the Google+ days, which is more than a decade ago at this point . During Google+, Google controversially instituted a "real name" policy. This was controversial and completely driven by Vic Gundotra who would get up at company meetings when asked about this (back when he still answered questions…

What I dont understand is why the stupid policies established by a coupled of troubled individuals years ago for failed projects are still in use today ...

Give us de +Word back... dont "improve" the stupid quotes.

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

tjpnz wrote: post #59
HL33tibCe7 wrote: post #31

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And you can’t even escape these companies by moving to another country. They have their tendrils everywhere, except in places that consciously prevent them - which is usually done by even worse tyrannies like China/Russia. Always makes me laugh when I see employees of Google, Amazon etc. claiming to be “anti-fascist” and “standing in solidarity with the common man” etc etc…

>Always makes me laugh when I see employees of Google, Amazon etc. claiming to be “anti-fascist” and “standing in solidarity with the common man” etc etc… Having had the pleasure of sharing the elevator with said individuals in shared office buildings the "common man" part almost made me lose my coffee.

Nothing says “common man” like 500k in stock options.

Big Tech monopolies need to be resisted

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Post by tremarley »

ugjka wrote: post #152
SergeAx wrote: post #147

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Moved where? Not to iCloud, I hope? Self-hosting mail, calendar and media is too complex task for 99% of population. This is not a solution.

Proton, Hetzner Nextcloud

Don't trust Hetzner. They will do the same.

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Post by bborud »

This highlights the enormous risk depending on Google, and similar service providers, for email, messaging and other important services is. It isn't so much the policies, but the fact that Google will never do anything to help you when they get it wrong.

You are always only one algorithmic fuck-up away from losing access and having to spend days and weeks dealing with the consequences.

I think the only way to deal with this is through regulation. Make it as inconvenient for Google to ignore customers as it is inconvenient for customers to be ignored by their service provider when something goes wrong.

Systemic mistreatment of customers ought to have consequences of existential proportions to a company. There is no societal benefit to companies like Google getting away with behaving this poorly.

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Post by mindslight »

seszett wrote: post #120
Enginerrrd wrote: post #86

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Wow, I'd guess the opposite when we consider the base rate. Seems like a classic Bayesian problem. It's fairly normal for parents to take pictures of their children naked in the bathtub/at the beach/ camping/etc. Conversely, I'd expect actual pedophiles and CSAM producers to be really quite rare. So even a relatively low base-rate of normal parents with normal nude photos would likely dwarf CSAM upon detection. So, i…

> It's fairly normal for parents to take pictures of their children naked in the bathtub/at the beach/ camping/etc. And what I understand is that each of these private photos of their children that parents take on an Android phone with Google cloud enabled gets specifically flagged to be shown to a stranger working for Google. That sounds pretty insane to me.

This quite the insane realization, and it needs to be shouted from the rooftops every time the encryption "debate" comes up. Authoritarians browbeat us by overstating the diffuse possibility of harm, while whitewashing the effects of their own actions. Meanwhile their actions create centralized, institutionalized, inescapable harm - specifically here, creating a ripe target for pedophiles to remotely creep on everyday families just trying to go about their lives.

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Post by razemio »

hk1337 wrote: post #249

It doesn’t seem right for the doctor to ask the parents to take pictures then send them over SMS, email, or whatever they asked them to use. Why wouldn’t this just be done within the privacy of the doctor’s office?

There could be so many reasons. I will just name a few:

- Corona

- Specialist far away

- Quick Checkup

- Doctor is on vacation

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Post by akudha »

vgatherps wrote: post #63
soraminazuki wrote: post #15

> A Google spokeswoman said the company stands by its decisions, even though law enforcement cleared the two men. Wow. Just wow. This is worse than the usual Google's automated screw-ups. In this case, Google was notified of the issue by the NYT. Yet they actively chose to continue to screw over their victims just because they can. > In a statement, Google said, “Child sexual abuse material is abhorrent and we’re com…

What's the incentive for Google to EVER give the accounts back? If they wrongly deactivate an account (like here), you get a bad article, EFF and friends ruminate about your behavior, and the world mostly moves on. If Google wrongly gives an account back, you get a different article: "Google helped child pornographer even after discovering CP in their account". Now that gets attention. That's a scandal that leads to…

What's the incentive for Google to EVER give the accounts back?

Ethical, moral responsibility? Being a nice entity. And it takes zero effort to do so, especially once he is cleared by the cops?

You know, stuff like Don't be evil? Oh wait...

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