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Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Post by drusepth »

nemo44x wrote: post #167
spoonjim wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are definitely ideas that are not allowed here.

I’m not sure there are ideas that aren’t allowed so much as the way you speak, structure, and present them. I’ve tested many different ideas on topics here and some have received far more positive feedback than I’d imagine and some have been buried too. I think so long as you follow guidelines generally and don’t outright attack individuals then you’re mainly ok. The community might downvote your idea to invisible bu…

>The community might downvote your idea to invisible but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t allowed

This might be a nitpick, but this depends on your POV of who's allowing/disallowing content.

HN itself allows a lot of comments that the collective HN community does not allow -- by downvoting them into invisibility.

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Post by cratermoon »

fleddr wrote: post #64

"What about this time around we build products whose primary focus is actually the stated mission? Share with friends and family and the world, to bring it together (not divide it)! Instead of something unrelated, like making lots of ad revenue! What a concept!" I really liked the article but am perplexed by the naive ending. Friends/family and the world are two very distinct use cases. Most people, young people incl…

> But how will you monetize instead?

Some radicals might point out where the expectation, and need, for "monetization" is itself the root of the problem, and wonder if an extractive capitalist mindset could ever solve the problems which itself has created.

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Post by dleslie »

wincy wrote: post #85
mgraczyk wrote: post #40

TikTok is winning because it is video first. The more immersive the media, the more profitable the ads. Facebook is having trouble pivoting it's products to video. Facebook is betting big that the next more-immersive medium after video will be VR. That's basically the whole story. Notice I didn't use the word "algorithm" or "social"? These takes are tired and naive, TikTok isn't addictive in any operationally useful…

My wife deleted TikTok after a few weeks because she just couldn’t handle how addictive it was. All she wanted to do was watch TikTok. Then she started getting Shorts on YouTube now she wants to completely stop watching YouTube even if the old creators she enjoyed are still making philosophy videos and stuff, it’s just not worth it to stick around when the goal has become quite clearly to keep you hooked.

I deleted the browser and all but the most basic IM apps from my phone because every online experience seemed to be trending towards this.

Life is better, now. I highly recommend it. Your phone doesn't need a browser.

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Post by geodel »

iopq wrote: post #185
bawolff wrote: post #164

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If someone did a show HN, for their murder for hire app to connect assains to clients, i imagine it would (rightly) go over poorly. At least i would hope...

Unless they wrote it in Rust, in which case it would be received with great praise

I mean it makes sense. Memory safety >> Human Safety.

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Post by colinmhayes »

shaunxcode wrote: post #84
LesZedCB wrote: post #74

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then why didn't vine or snapchat or whatever other video first platform from yesteryear catch on as big too? clearly there's more to it than "it's simply video first"

vine did! twitter mothballed it.

Twitter mothballed it’s because it didn’t catch on like TikTok did.

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Post by germinalphrase »

drusepth wrote: post #247
germinalphrase wrote: post #200

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“I think the GP’s point was that social relationships are increasingly becoming irrelevant to people” I have a hard time believing this is generally true.

I wonder where the split is, and for what demographics this is/isn't true for. It's been true for at least a few years for my (small) circle and I. I also wonder if this is a (temporary) side effect of larger societal issues. It certainly feels like all of my old relationships are trending towards hyperpolitical interactions (even ones where we agree on most topics) and/or transactional/performative obligations. In t…

My wife and I are in our mid-30’s and have a young child. Both of those transitions have led to the depreciation of some old friendships and the blossoming of new ones. Life is too full to be social to the same extent as when we were younger, but the friendships we have now (though fewer) are stronger in some important ways and more diverse in age, ethnic background, etc and so on.

I would say add that we tend to hang with people that engage in active hobbies and probably consume somewhat less media than average. But maybe I’m just reasoning backwards there…

Aside: if you happen to live in Minneapolis - I’d be happy to buy you a coffee sometime.

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Post by wardedVibe »

dont__panic wrote: post #17

> [TikTok]'s addiction-based advertising machine is probably close to the theoretical maximum of how many advertisements one can pour down somebody’s throat. Well put. It's interesting that we pivoted in my adult lifetime from: 1. Myspace's emphasis on sharing things on your own webpage, essentially a hosted blog 2. Facebook's evolution from "hosted blog" to "friend update aggregator" to "chat client" to "friend upda…

Discord is picking up steam, and doesn't seem to be relying on advertising. They're also way more explicit about making communities rather than friend networks.

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Post by kaushikc »

randomdrake wrote: post #216

Everyone seems pretty wrapped up in the social part. But I think many forget that “media” was actually a big part of this. Photos weren’t always so easy to share. Having places where media was only based on your friends or people you knew was incredibly novel and useful . A single website you could log in to in order to view photos (and eventually videos) related to you was novel when we all had flip phones and a “ca…

I do see myself going old tech, back to IRC clients and chatrooms like the 90's.

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Post by louky »

pjlegato wrote: post #186
wwweston wrote: post #159

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Now that I think about it, this is correct on at least one front: I can recall chat systems that existed in the 80s . What's the feature of today's chat systems makes them qualitatively different from those that are 30+ years old?

Today's chat systems are far more accessible to people with minimal to no technical background. Install an app on your phone and you're good to go. Almost anyone can and does use them. The level of technical knowledge required to connect to IRC or a BBS in the 80s was far higher, which meant that only a tiny fraction of people bothered.

on my university mainframe in the 1980s it was as simple as logging in and typing 'forum'.

had most of the basic features of IRC.

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