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Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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I have a friend working for a company whose biggest clients are in the Emirates. One of said client is the government, and it is asking them to buy some very specific equipment, knowing fully well this equipment is only sold in Israel. However, the Emirates cannot trade with Israel, and refuse to pay for any equipment labelled as coming from this country. Calling one of the officials, they asked for a solution. They…

> However, the Emirates cannot trade with Israel,

that's a ruse used only internally to foment hatred against "the Jews"

https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/08/25/the-uae-spends-big-on-i...

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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You should educate yourself about the fact that PRC Taiwan and USA all legally recognize one China policy. China is not PRC, PRC is at best the only internationally recognized government of China. Even so there is still only one China. Of cuz, because of US are exceptional, US does not abide by the international law, so Pelosi visited Taiwan as a high level official from US. Apple need to operate in the boundary of l…

How many yuan you get for this post?

Oh, are you aware of how "Wu Mao" or "US dollars" parties work? Teach me, so that I could start earning some "immoral" income. Or we might actually can work together on this.

Jokes aside, I got my impression on general history and personally deemed reputable sources. Nothing from what I said would have comprehensive references, because I am not a full-time political practitioner.

Feel free to draw your conclusion, but opaque derogatory comments help no one.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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> Apple has spent many years happily profiting from cheap Chinese manufacturing, labor, electrial engineering expertise and supply chains to the point where they are now completely beholden to a foreign country. Up to a point there's a cost advantage, but Tim Cook has also pointed that Apple uses Chinese factories because it allows them to take advantage of the local manufacturing capabilities, which are substantial.…

> In fact to hear him tell it those capabilities are simply not available elsewhere. This is a huge overlooked factor in all of the debate regarding the supply chain. You can't "just move" manufacturing capabilities from one place to another, and debate the labor costs. Rather, probably more importantly, there's actually a _skills supply_ problem.

People will learn the skills if the demand exists. That's what China did and Americans can do it too if multinational companies support US manufacturing.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should educate yourself about the fact that PRC Taiwan and USA all legally recognize one China policy. China is not PRC, PRC is at best the only internationally recognized government of China. Even so there is still only one China. Of cuz, because of US are exceptional, US does not abide by the international law, so Pelosi visited Taiwan as a high level official from US. Apple need to operate in the boundary of l…

The USA has imperfect history for sure. But that doesn't change the fact that currently, none of those things you mention are actively happening.. whereas the critiques of the PRC are based on current events like the Uyghur genocide and removal of freedoms in Hong Kong. A nation is molded by it's history not identified by it. Nobody fears the Nazis when visiting Berlin today. > the fact that PRC Taiwan and USA all le…

Well said, I do mostly agree with your points. They are mostly consistent with the backdrops of my comment.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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This should honestly be picked up by a larger news organization. If the US is serious about protecting Taiwan and bringing more chips to the US, Apple should be shamed for choosing Chinese profits. Imagine if Apple told Ukraine employees to label Russia on their badges.

It's selective wokeness by employees of Apple. Or an American-centric attitude with no interest in universal principles of self-determination by all peoples.

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> To many Taiwanese, support for "Taiwan independence" would be tantamount to denying their history and self-experienced identity. A very real sort of oppression. Source? I have Taiwanese sources stating the exact opposite. The Taiwanese youth does not want to be seen as Chinese.

After WWII, Germany lost a large section of their Eastern Territory to Poland, and everyone from there was resettled within the new German borders. Those people were furious, and as a result German policy was to demand that territory back, and a refusal to recognize the new borders. A couple decades later a lot of the people who grew up there had died of old age, and the new generation had no relation to the old terr…

Nowadays both Germany and Poland are part of the EU, and people have freedom of movement in both territories. So if anyone wants to move to their "historical" homeland, they can easily do so. Interestingly, this is also partly the case wrt. the PRC and Taiwan, as a result of the One China policy.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Provoked by an old lady flying in and giving a few speeches? That is one rather weak provocation. Compare that to the CCP launching missiles over the island of Taiwan. Who is provoking whom?

Sure. But many countries have their "weak" spots. Let Nancy Pelosi go to Catalonia on a military jet, without Spain's approval. It would be a major scandal. Or hell, if Xi Jinping got around US government on a submarine, and appeared in Texas to support its independence. All independence is based on having some autonomy (trivial) and no one other calling your bluff.

No, actually. I do not think many people would care if Xi made some speech in texas.

Mostly that sounds just funny. He can go ahead and do that.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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It reads to me like Apple is warning suppliers that it's parts may not get to factories in China if it does not comply with Chinese law. You would like Apple to... stop importing parts from Taiwan to China? That doesn't seem right, it would hurt Taiwan. Stop manufacturing in China? That's... ambitious. Ignore the situation and just accept assembly lines being halted because of lack of parts stopped at border? Other?…

> Stop manufacturing in China? That's... ambitious. Apple's profit margins are so high that they'd probably still be positive even if they did this without raising prices at all. (Remember nobody's saying they should have to move manufacturing to the US. There are plenty of countries with low labor costs that are less evil than China.)

Even for a company like Apple it will take years to move manufacturing out of China.

This is also something they are already in the process of doing. They have been significantly ramping up manufacturing in Vietnam and India.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Flippant replies to everyone attempting to meaningfully engage you are not productive and contribute negatively.

Unfortunately, that's the best I could give to you. Not really intentionally trying to dodge the question. My comments are based on number casual exposure from my personally reputable sources which I don't have time and energy to sort out, as I am not a full time intentional law practitioner. The best my comments can give is for someone who is genuinely interested in learning history to spend time to look for reputab…

Ok got it.

So then the answer is no, those weapons companies are not breaking the law. They have been selling weapons to taiwan for decades, and they do not have to worry about international law.

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