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Electrical engineers on the brink of extinction threaten entire tech ecosystems

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I find it very funny that this article came out right after the deadline for university applications passed here (Greece). Anyway, I chose a CS Bachelor’s program with just enough EE classes to qualify for a MEng in EE later. I was thinking about starting from EE (I’m equally interested in both subjects, if not a bit more in EE) but I was discouraged by comparing salary info and seeing many dissatisfied electrical en…

You could study both. CS degree is worthless, nobody asks for it. So take EE degree and study CS in parallel. You can attend classes without being signed.

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EE spent so many years making sure everyone knew it's impossibly hard, the professors eat their young, etc. I've seen this in other professions where the incumbents desperately want to impose, in actuality, the uphill-both-ways life story they believe they endured. And then they are shocked when the young peace out. The military, and their insanely rigorous special warfare training. The medical profession in general.…

Don't forget low level embedded programmers, Kernel developers, and many who live in the world of coding in C/ASM. I recall numerous instances in my undergraduate career where professors and the students passionate in these fields would actively persuade people who didn't get exposes to the stuff from even trying. I remember one professor teaching an elective class on the Linux kernel and how he would try his best to…

We are currently having a hell of a time trying to hire embedded developers

We're looking for bare metal developers so basic SPI, I2C, UART knowledge is essential, but even in that realm it's surprising how many embedded devs can't work outside of an RTOS and lack basic hardware knowledge

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

IT has been automating its lunch away for decades and now even more people work in IT. A paradox. There's no field more cannibalistic than IT. On top of it, most software is open source and yet salaries are high. Apparently making so much of our field free was not a disaster, another paradox. More recently, even AI is doing the same trick - years of task specific work replaced with a prompt and two examples executed…

I know you use the term 'paradox' loosely, but all you are saying is investments pay off, which is hardly a paradox!

The paradox is that automation didn't render us jobless.

Re: Electrical engineers on the brink of extinction threaten entire tech ecosystems

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EE spent so many years making sure everyone knew it's impossibly hard, the professors eat their young, etc. I've seen this in other professions where the incumbents desperately want to impose, in actuality, the uphill-both-ways life story they believe they endured. And then they are shocked when the young peace out. The military, and their insanely rigorous special warfare training. The medical profession in general.…

And right you are! Now the latest trend are MS/PhD only openings. Especially at IC manufacturers But I have two questions for those: why not on-the-job training, and did the people that joined 20/40yrs ago have those qualifications? All of them? Well, good luck filling those positions then! /s

To be fair, tech hiring is rather credentialized in general these days. Even help desk and cable-runner jobs are requiring 4 year degrees.

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I think you're right. It's my suspicion that eventually software engineers will be paid the same as copy writers and scientists. But not yet.

I was initially going to disagree that copywriters get paid in the same range as scientists, but the numbers in the US are roughly similar from the Bureau of Labor Statistics and Indeed. -Indeed average copywriter annual pay [0] is $54,998 USD, versus a staff scientist's [1] at $69,091 USD -BLS median copywriter pay for 2021 [2] was $69,510 USD, versus a medical scientist's [3] at $95,310 USD I'm surprised that the m…

The scientists I know see it as almost a vocation. They want the prestige of having their names in journals and the feeling that they're helping advance human knowledge. I can't really blame them... I class it as a bit like development in the way they undervalue their skills so that they can get it.

I guess the other side of it is that the people paying scientists really don't know if their grant money will pay off so they want to hedge their bets on costs (eg salaries)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't forget low level embedded programmers, Kernel developers, and many who live in the world of coding in C/ASM. I recall numerous instances in my undergraduate career where professors and the students passionate in these fields would actively persuade people who didn't get exposes to the stuff from even trying. I remember one professor teaching an elective class on the Linux kernel and how he would try his best to…

We are currently having a hell of a time trying to hire embedded developers We're looking for bare metal developers so basic SPI, I2C, UART knowledge is essential, but even in that realm it's surprising how many embedded devs can't work outside of an RTOS and lack basic hardware knowledge

Pay better. It's totally possible that you are paying appropriately, but I've been disappointed with my most recent job search and am likely winding up doing backend work again simply because those roles pay almost double.

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PhD in EE. Moved to software for better pay and more job openings. Now I optimize button colors.

Man, I can't put my finger on why exactly, but this fact makes me feel like humanity is irrefutably screwed in some way.

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I graduated in Electrical Engineering & I feel the spectrum of things one learnt in EE makes for a very well rounded engineer. That being said, only a fraction of PhDs awarded nowadays are "core EE" topics.

I can safely say I am a better SWE because of the EE grounding back in the day.

Re: Electrical engineers on the brink of extinction threaten entire tech ecosystems

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EE spent so many years making sure everyone knew it's impossibly hard, the professors eat their young, etc. I've seen this in other professions where the incumbents desperately want to impose, in actuality, the uphill-both-ways life story they believe they endured. And then they are shocked when the young peace out. The military, and their insanely rigorous special warfare training. The medical profession in general.…

Don't forget low level embedded programmers, Kernel developers, and many who live in the world of coding in C/ASM. I recall numerous instances in my undergraduate career where professors and the students passionate in these fields would actively persuade people who didn't get exposes to the stuff from even trying. I remember one professor teaching an elective class on the Linux kernel and how he would try his best to…

I don't know when I first heard students boasting about these scare away intro lectures [0] but it was noticeable by the early eighties.

I've a few unsubstantiated hypotheses why:

Zero Sum Game taught by boomer parents conscious that the party was already over but would be sustained inevitably with increasing ruthlessness.[1]

Intellectual Property laws started slicing and dicing knowledge that became temporarily more valuable by fencing it in.

Higher Education caught performance metrics (without much if any performance pay) and so especially elite schools but eventually the rest cottoned onto input pre selection as a way of surviving.

Society became a overt lottery particularly for low income families. This placed the easy weight of the burden of responsibility of tutors on the side of direction to easier subjects.

I believe all these factors and more began compounding exponentially with the enclosures act imposition of a requirement for a degree for work with no or marginal utility for the same.

Marketing, loans and for a particularly insidious enclosures act, the UK's "classless society" introduction of University status not only for a tsunami of new institutions (the UK will now accredit degree granting university status in only two years..) and the white washing of the vocational STEM/ Engineering focused UK Polytechnic system (making them independent degree awarding institutions enabled diversification and dilution) which multiplied the demand for least effort maximum passing grade tertiary education throughout the world ,by the turn of this century to lamentable result.

[0] turning up next week seems to have been the objective of one I spoke with, to demean the honest and intimidated.

[1] The last market play I laid on with my late cofounder was in reaction to the dotbomb. Bought military tech suppliers :-| Point being we need the new program before we are fully grown up so to pass it on. With massive shifts to younger population and the current generation of middle aged folk being capitalized by three bull cycles the last two payable like a Japanese 80's mortgage, by the grandchildren, this means now.

Edit: second footnote placed and "enclosures act" gains a act adjectivally. Edit2 for work para7 Edit3 last para payable not relatable.

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