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Re: Thoughts on the potato diet

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Post by TrisMcC »

nvahalik wrote: post #241
TrisMcC wrote: post #218

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Potatoes have protein and fats. Enough protein and fats for fat-soluble vitamins and preventing dying of protein malnutrition. Potatoes are not just carbs. No libido? I'd like to see the source of that claim. The western world has become "addicted" to protein and the claims on how much is necessary and recommended are extremely exaggerated.

They have about 9x more carbs than fat. If you are eating Yukon gold potatoes, and you ate 5 pounds of them, and according to my calculations you are looking at approximately 2100 kcal of which a little less than 1900 of those calories comes from carbohydrates. We advise people not to go below 50 g of fat per day and according to the macros for Yukon Gold you wouldn’t even be getting a 10th of that amount. Additional…

> We normally coach people to eat 1 g of protein per pound of lean muscle mass. So for 150 pound person that would be 150 g of protein per day or approximately 600 cal from protein.

"Lean muscle mass" excludes the fat on the body, right? A 150lb person should have less than 150lb of lean muscle mass.

USDA recommends 54g using their calculator. Don't forget the 38 grams of fiber! :)

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GordonS wrote: post #240
leksak wrote: post #235

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I eat six eggs for breakfast, with vegetables and maybe a bowl of kefir with some mango and I'm hungry around 10 — breakfast being at 7-8.

I guess you're an outlier (or have a tapeworm :) I physically can't eat any more than 3 eggs because I'd feel completely full.

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Re: Thoughts on the potato diet

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Post by dredmorbius »

xeromal wrote: post #99
safety1st wrote: post #30

There's actually some science behind this diet. Potatoes are the highest scoring food on the satiety index. https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/15-incredibly-filling-f... Basically they're the most filling food per calorie. So if you subscribe to the idea that losing weight is mainly about how many calories you consume, a potato heavy diet should be effective. And an all potato diet, while monomaniacal, even more ef…

I had a buddy that created a spreadsheet of various foods and their micro/macro nutrients. He's an engineer and wanted to engineer his diet to cover every deficiency in the minimal amount of food possible. He told me that potatoes were almost the perfect food if you could magically reduce the amount of glucose you took from them.

Is there some form of fermented potato dish / treatment?

Apparently yes: https://drdavisinfinitehealth.com/2018/02/fermented-raw-pota...

(One of several results on search. I've no idea on merits / validity here.)

Re: Thoughts on the potato diet

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Post by Pakdef »

zeroxfe wrote: post #211
Pakdef wrote: post #175

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I just don't know how much muscles steroid junkies can add, but either way it's not healthy... but yeah you are probably right that it isn't that much. Also, that parent comment was saying that you should trade fat for muscles, so my comment still stands.

> Also, that parent comment was saying that you should trade fat for muscles, so my comment still stands. Great -- you win by technicality! For the vast majority of people, the parent made a very reasonable statement, so comments like this are not helpful.

> so comments like this are not helpful.

Maybe you think my comment was not helpful, but his comment was ignoring many variables.

Eat less if you are fat and do cardio no matter what.

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Post by autoexec »

seadan83 wrote: post #164
sph wrote: post #56

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> Obesity is not a disease of over-eating, it is a disease of managing hunger. Indeed it is, and the solution to managing hunger (i.e. returning your whole insulin and leptin system to a more optimal baseline) is NOT going for a 90% carbohydrate diet. That's exactly why we have a bloody obesity epidemic. It's a fun thought experiment, but reading the comments in here people actually think this is genius and sustainab…

My unsupported personal belief is that the human body processes different carbohydrates in very different ways. Carbs that come from starch are not equivalent to carbs from cane sugar, and yet again not equivalent to honey, and again not equivalent to high fructose corn sryup, and again different from breads & pasta. Ratio of fiber to carbohydrate and how that carbohydrate is processed by the body is also important a…

> Unrelated, and unsolicited 2 cents, IMO it's all about eating as many fibrous and leafy greens as possible. At that point, a moderate side of lean meat, potato, carb, practially whatever - does not matter so long as the fibrous and leafy greens are the majority source of calories.

If you eat a meal with a small steak and a baked potato, how many pounds of salad would you need to consume to get the majority of your calories from eating those leaves?

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Post by autoexec »

goodpoint wrote: post #212
seadan83 wrote: post #164

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My unsupported personal belief is that the human body processes different carbohydrates in very different ways. Carbs that come from starch are not equivalent to carbs from cane sugar, and yet again not equivalent to honey, and again not equivalent to high fructose corn sryup, and again different from breads & pasta. Ratio of fiber to carbohydrate and how that carbohydrate is processed by the body is also important a…

> personal belief is that the human body processes different carbohydrates in very different ways This is nutritional science 101. Slow-digesting carbohydrates like big-flake oats are really good. Fast-digesting things like sugars, processed foods, fast food and meat products are bad as they create spikes in the glycemic index.

> Slow-digesting carbohydrates like big-flake oats are really good.

if only they tasted that way!

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Post by emmanuel_1234 »

seadan83 wrote: post #169
LesZedCB wrote: post #143

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i thought fat was largely debunked as being the primary cause, though i'm not going to go searching for studies as i'm not a dietician (though my partner is). consider this: each of those meals at McD's, BK, or Pizza hut come with a 1-2 liter soda, loaded with calories and sugar. yes, the fats are there, but they are _always_ paired with loads of sugar.

I agree with the debunking that fats are not bad for you, though, not all fats are equal. The rule of thumb is that fats that remain liquid at body temperature can be considered "dietary fat". The only problem with "dietary fat" is they have a load of energy on them and that can blow your calorie budget for the day quite easily if you overdo them. Fats though that stay solid at body temperature arguably should be com…

I'd be curious to understand where you get that information from.

Fat that stays solid at room temperature is generally high in saturated fat (except for margarin, but let's keep it out). Fat that stays liquid is generally vegetable oil (e.g.: canola).

I don't think there is strong evidence that vegetable oil is good for you whereas saturated fat is not. If so, I'd really like to read about it.

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Post by com2kid »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #239
com2kid wrote: post #191

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Plenty of other foods fill me up just fine. A 4oz steak and some broccoli. Bacon and eggs. Meat + a veg does me fine. > See a doctor. Doctors know next to nothing about gut biome stuff. "I don't get full eating an entire jar of peanut butter" is going to result in the doctor telling me to not eat a jar of peanut butter. Heck plenty of people don't get full eating entire tubs of ice cream. The answer is to avoid downi…

You just listed a bunch of things that don't make sense? See a specialist rather than quibbling over the definition of doctor.

You ever tried eating fish with bones in it? It takes me forever. By the time I finished picking the bones out of 700 calories of fish it'd be time for my next meal. Meanwhile I have friends who eat fish just fine and get full.

FWIW Salmon drenched in butter and lemon does the trick, but that kind of feels like cheating.

Maybe fish sticks would fill me up? Heck if I know.

Peanut butter is another one, plenty of people can eat crap tons of peanut butter and not get full. Other people get full from peanut butter easily.

Same goes for nuts, and a ton of snacking foods. That is why they are called snacking foods

I once had a coworker who could honest to goodness get filled up from an ice cream cone. Calorically, that is correct, but the vast majority of people's bodies will completely ignore calorie math when consuming ice cream (see: Common jokes about a separate desert stomach).

> See a specialist rather than quibbling over the definition of doctor.

"Hi doctor, yeah, I have a normal BMI and I am in above average health and I work out multiple times per week but some guy online says I should see you because I don't get full eating peanut butter."

You do realize that there are literally not specialists for this stuff? If medical science understood why some people never get full eating certain foods, we wouldn't have so much obesity.

On the flip side, food scientists understand that fat + sugar = never satiated. That is why donuts are even a thing. Realistically a donut and a sweetened coffee are "enough calories" but they aren't satiating at all.

And then there is the nastiness of the human body mostly ignoring liquid calories all together[1], outside of mechanical fullness of the stomach. That is why starbucks can get away with selling drinks that have almost an entire day's worth of calories in them.

[1] Protein shakes are a notable exception to this.

Re: Thoughts on the potato diet

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Post by tingletech »

gruez wrote: post #223
appletrotter wrote: post #210

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> I have reactive hypoglycemia Makes sense that this diet wouldn't work for you - but I think using this argument is sort of like arguing that peanuts are unhealthy because some people are allergic to them. Fun Fact: You can let your potatoes cool down, and then re-heat them, to significantly lower the glycemic impact. https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29629761

Seems like the linked study only applies to pasta. Whether it applies to potato is unknown.

https://doi.org/10.1016/j.foodchem.2016.03.120

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Post by autoexec »

nostrebored wrote: post #65
sph wrote: post #56

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> Obesity is not a disease of over-eating, it is a disease of managing hunger. Indeed it is, and the solution to managing hunger (i.e. returning your whole insulin and leptin system to a more optimal baseline) is NOT going for a 90% carbohydrate diet. That's exactly why we have a bloody obesity epidemic. It's a fun thought experiment, but reading the comments in here people actually think this is genius and sustainab…

CGMs should disillusion people of this pretty quickly. I really wish more people would try them for a month just to see how they respond to certain foods.

I'd do it if they had one that didn't involve needles.
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