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Post by bipulranjan »

Hizonner wrote: post #227
bipulranjan wrote: post #114

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Hmm. Just a crazy idea. What if nobody went around beheading people for insulting their prophet, AND nobody went around arresting people for insulting their deity? And what if both the beheadings and the bogus arrests were punished by law? And what if nobody were allowed to get away with trying to use either one to justify the other? I mean, I'm not sure a guy who's been dead for 1200 years AND supposedly has the fav…

It is not an crazy idea and that is what is being practised in India. In fact, India does not have any blashphemy law. We do have section 295A (https://indiankanoon.org/doc/1803184/).

The atmosphere become highly polarized after Md. Zubair selectively amplified the outrageous comment on social media. He even translated the video in Arabic for middle-east countries to take note. He rejoiced on twitter when the Islamic nations was summoning Indian ambassadors and Indian product was being boycotted. If you are going at that length to malign image of any country then certainly people have right to demand legal action against your mischief.

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Post by Viliam1234 »

worker_person wrote: post #172
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #97

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The India system is essentially a system of “who you know”. Anyone who grew up in India knows that if you’re a powerful bureaucrat, cop, or politician, you can do whatever you want. The law doesn’t really apply to you. The only exception is if you manage to piss off someone higher up in the power hierarchy. Its not so much as authoritarian as it is Darwinian.

I can't find it now, There was an old article talking about a Zombie party in India. Basically bribing an official to get someone declared dead was easy. Getting it fixed was basically impossible. There was some guy running for office who was legally dead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uttar_Pradesh_Association_of_D...

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Post by mrguyorama »

the_biot wrote: post #196
worker_person wrote: post #176

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That sure is a lot of nonsense. What we see in the US is the government, in the form of the police, abuses the people plenty. That's why there's so much protest when they actually kill people. And are people arming themselves more to protect themselves from the police? No.

More importantly, the second amendment will not protect you from police. Many legally carrying innocent people have been shot and killed by the police, and there are very few cases of people defending themselves from a police officer and not going to jail

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Post by sam0x17 »

I've always wondered this but what's stopping companies from just not having a physical presence in these countries but still serving them over the internet? Like what can India really do if there is no office in country. Sure they could block the service, but I mean beyond that, is there really anything they can do to compell you to comply with their overbearing demands if you are out of country?

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Post by hn_tw_away_943 »

Gurgler wrote: post #159
devin wrote: post #56

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Not sure what you’re referring to. A majority certainly does not approve of overturning Roe, quite the opposite.

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Post by mrguyorama »

harpic wrote: post #142
ahamedirshad123 wrote: post #66

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Doctored video? What are you smoking? He posted the original video. And the channel has deleted the video from their YouTube channel. For Non Indians here, TimesNow is the channel and that news reporter is Laura Ingram of India.

When you edit a video to cut the provocation and just show the response- that is doctoring. You denying this video resulted in beheading and riots ?

If you start riots or literally murder someone because of some junk you saw in a short video, maybe the video isn't the problem.

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Post by lazyasciiart »

ad93611 wrote: post #41

I’m a startup founder where most of our employees are based in India. I don’t condone this move by Razorpay. However, as someone else pointed out, the legal process in India is not robust, and it is biased toward people in power. Here are some constructive ways to avoid situations like this: 1. Register your company outside of India. The US is an excellent option because of the solid legal framework. 2. Encrypt the d…

> It would be great to have a regular process to delete old data if you don’t need it for business purposes, and this is hard to do because you could develop an innovative way to add customer value using the old data you don’t know of today.

It is not "hard to do" just because you would like not to do it. This is the first step you should be taking, not faffing around with international corporate registrations and encryption to create weak protection for data that you shouldn't have in the first place.

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Post by zinekeller »

throw_away_1042 wrote: post #221
semanticvector wrote: post #134

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exactly. Only intent is to malign Razorpay, so OP also chose to create a throw away account. Razorpay didn't really have much choice in this.

The account I have used is more than a year old. I would be harassed by Hindutva goons online and offline if I use my real identity. Maybe also a false police case. Also Razorpay is not innocent here. They could have disputed the demand in the court. Could have informed the users that their data was shared with government. Could have shared only the transactions that originated in a foreign country.They did none of t…

Without knowing what is written on the Section 93 order, you and I don't know if the company in question can even limit the requests to what you propose. On the contrary, it could be written in no uncertain terms to give all transactions related to a certain organisation including domestic donations.

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Post by lazyasciiart »

ridiculous_leke wrote: post #231
devin wrote: post #56

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Not sure what you’re referring to. A majority certainly does not approve of overturning Roe, quite the opposite.

Are there any legitimate polls to back this up? An average American on the internet is probably against the ruling, but that still doesn't mean that the majority of Americans are against it. If that was the case, we should have either seen pressure building up on "pro-life" states or a BLM style movement in favor of legalizing abortion. But I don't see neither.

Yes, lots of them, dating back years. A quick search gives me results of polls run by NPR, Washington Post, Gallup, CNN, Pew Research, NBC and CBS, to start with. The clear majority of Americans are in favor of legal abortion.

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Post by colechristensen »

rdl wrote: post #45

I'm not a lawyer, nor am I an Indian lawyer, but if Razorpay received a Section 91 order ( https://indiankanoon.org/doc/788840/ ) they wouldn't have much choice on turning over any records. It looks to be the rough equivalent of third party doctrine in the US (which is also horrible). It can come from "any Court or any officer in charge of a police station". Banks and fintech in many countries are even more exposed t…

I would be upset if an American company was enabling this kind of government abuse in a foreign country. A local company complying with local laws? Ok I recognize that it is bad but I don't blame a company with following their local laws. You can only expect so much rebellion.
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