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New California law requires high schools to start later

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Re: New California law requires high schools to start later

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Post by Fire-Dragon-DoL »

collegeburner wrote: post #237
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #219

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There seem to be 3 attitudes to kids: 1 - Adults that get some kind of power trip out of tyrany and justify it by 'toughening them up'. They demand respect and dicipline they never had themselves. They will have endless stories about how their childhood was tough, and they had to talk to school and home 10 miles, alone, thorugh the snow, and it was uphill both ways 2 - Adults that 'care', by helicoptering over kids a…

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Science proves you wrong. UK law says high school starts at 10 am because it's actually better for their age

Re: New California law requires high schools to start later

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Post by tomohawk »

This is going to be hard on highschoolers who have jobs. For many, it will preclude them from working.

And before you say, "Good!", keep in mind that not everyone has the priviledge of an all paid ride from their parents.

I personnally never had any proble getting up early, but I went to bed at a reasonable time. My peers who had trouble in the morning all tended to stay up late.

Re: New California law requires high schools to start later

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Post by sensanaty »

collegeburner wrote: post #237
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #219

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There seem to be 3 attitudes to kids: 1 - Adults that get some kind of power trip out of tyrany and justify it by 'toughening them up'. They demand respect and dicipline they never had themselves. They will have endless stories about how their childhood was tough, and they had to talk to school and home 10 miles, alone, thorugh the snow, and it was uphill both ways 2 - Adults that 'care', by helicoptering over kids a…

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I'm in my mid-20s with an entire childhood of very early mornings - I can still barely get out of bed until around 10am, and even if I manage to somehow do that I've got the brain function of a goldfish for about half an hour. Nothing to do with silly ideas about 'character' or anything dumb like that, turns out people are different and have different biological clocks that make them tick, who'd'a thunk it

Re: New California law requires high schools to start later

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Post by stewartmcgown »

collegeburner wrote: post #237
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #219

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There seem to be 3 attitudes to kids: 1 - Adults that get some kind of power trip out of tyrany and justify it by 'toughening them up'. They demand respect and dicipline they never had themselves. They will have endless stories about how their childhood was tough, and they had to talk to school and home 10 miles, alone, thorugh the snow, and it was uphill both ways 2 - Adults that 'care', by helicoptering over kids a…

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should be in school by 7am or it won't build character? 65% of kids in America are driven to school by their parents. the socioeconomic state of that country including mass, sprawling suburbanisation with inherent car-addiction has made it very difficult for children to achieve even a modicum of agency in their lives. I do not find it surprising the way it is impacting on American children.

source: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oHlpmxLTxpw

Re: New California law requires high schools to start later

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Post by rascul »

collegeburner wrote: post #237
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There seem to be 3 attitudes to kids: 1 - Adults that get some kind of power trip out of tyrany and justify it by 'toughening them up'. They demand respect and dicipline they never had themselves. They will have endless stories about how their childhood was tough, and they had to talk to school and home 10 miles, alone, thorugh the snow, and it was uphill both ways 2 - Adults that 'care', by helicoptering over kids a…

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What does it even mean to build character? Seems like people just use that phrase to justify forcing other people to do undesirable things.

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Post by ysopex »

throwaway2016a wrote: post #168
giantg2 wrote: post #10

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Ten sounds like a nightmare for working parents. Eight seems like a completely reasonable start time to me, yet this law prevents that. Schools should be able to decide for themselves based off of the parents and what works for those in the district.

While as a parent myself I agree but this is high school. Generally speaking someone who's 13 or older should be able to make their way onto a bus without an adult. When I was that age (granted this was the 90s) I had a key to the house and was trusted to let myself in when I got back. What's worse is the end of day. My kid is younger and I need to be at the bus stop at 3:50 PM every day to meet her.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/06/06/bus-denver-...

Sorry, my kids aren't riding the bus.

Re: New California law requires high schools to start later

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Post by dragonwriter »

radley wrote: post #245
dragonwriter wrote: post #224

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> Boomers were a very entitled generation. They have the post-war benefits of their previous generation and ran up a huge deficit for the following generations to pay back That's a better description of the Silent Generation than the Boomers.

The generation who grew up during the Great Depression and WWII were very entitled???

I was more referring to the concrete description in the second sentence than the personality-based explanation in the first.

(But, now that you mention it, a lot of the Silent Generation would have no memory of the Depression and little to none of the war, and the main formation of their adult expectations would be the immediate post-War period whereas Boomers either missed that entirely or were infants/toddlers, so...)

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Post by iso1631 »

skyyler wrote: post #203
iso1631 wrote: post #42

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Who has to be at work nowadays, other than people who tend to work in jobs which mean shift patterns. Sometimes I have to start work at 4am, does that mean that schools should start at 3am to make it convenient for me? What about when I finish at 11pm? What if I'm working overnight?

>Who has to be at work nowadays Nearly all workers that perform non-mental labour. You should really consider talking to some less privileged people sometime. Most of the world's workers aren't white collar, are they? Even if they were, are all white collar jobs allowing full remote these days?

You helpfully cut the other than people who tend to work in jobs which mean shift patterns

Everyone I know that works in a location works shift patterns or other non 9-5 jobs. My wife might start at 7.30 am one day, or another day not finish to 9pm.

If you're working 9-5 every day it's increasingly unlikely you need to be in a specific place to do so. Those who do work in specific places tend to have to cover a far larger range than 9-5 and thus require alternate child care arrangements anyway.

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Post by iso1631 »

giantg2 wrote: post #55
iso1631 wrote: post #42

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Who has to be at work nowadays, other than people who tend to work in jobs which mean shift patterns. Sometimes I have to start work at 4am, does that mean that schools should start at 3am to make it convenient for me? What about when I finish at 11pm? What if I'm working overnight?

"Who has to be at work nowadays," That sounds incredibly privileged. https://www.thrillist.com/news/nation/overflow-data-finds-th...

If you want to selectively quote out of context go ahead. If you want to quote a 2017 report and claim it's relevant today go ahead.

Re: New California law requires high schools to start later

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Post by iso1631 »

chrononaut wrote: post #148
iso1631 wrote: post #32

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Why? We're talking high schools - which I believe in the US is about age 15 onwards, nothing to do with parents

It can be age 13 onward, although your point is still quite valid, even at 13.

Indeed. Sure some 8 or 9 year olds can get themselves to and from school even without a school bus, but certainly by the time you hit 11 or 12 it's more likely they transport themselves than be chauffeured around
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