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Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by zdragnar »

jhgb wrote: post #63
kennywinker wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure what you think communism is, but: 2. Then, love your neighbor as yourself. 5. Do not steal. 6. Do not covet. 14. Relieve the poor. 15. Clothe the naked. 18. Be a help in times of trouble. 38. Be not lazy. Those are all pretty deeply in line with marxism. Jesus was a communist, after all.

He must have some sort of weird US interpretation of communism because "most code of conducts [sic!]" say absolutely nothing about proletariat-bourgeoisie relations in society. If anything, they're an instrument of capitalism.

Substitute racial / identity references in place of proletariat/ bourgeoisie in Marx's ideas, and you have modern academia and left-of-left wing American politics in a nutshell. It's by design.

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by somehnguy »

adamrezich wrote: post #216
nindalf wrote: post #204

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> what could possibly cause this sense of entitlement You keep typing this out in different words, almost like you're seeking to reinforce over and over that I'm entitled. I see what you're doing, you're heard. And I'll say what I've said earlier - I feel entitled to be treated well because people generally treat me well. And your brilliant contribution is "but why should that be the norm?" Thanks.

>I feel hurt. >I shouldn’t be made to feel like this this is entitlement. en·ti·tle·ment /inˈtīdlmənt,enˈtīdlmənt/ noun the fact of having a right to something. somehow reading a Code of Ethics for an open-source project you had an extremely slim chance of ever contributing to has emotionally injured you enough to express said injury on the Internet. when you say "I should not be made to feel like this", you are sayi…

There's something about your line of commenting that just strikes me as dishonest and to be completely honest, kind of gross. I can't quite put my finger on why I feel that way about it though. Maybe the air of superiority that comes though, like you're talking down - 'so entitled, I however would never feel such a thing'. I dunno. Just thought I would say my thoughts out loud, take it as you will.

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by mr_toad »

Banana699 wrote: post #236
fooey wrote: post #122

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Paradox of Tolerance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance > The paradox of tolerance states that if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually seized or destroyed by the intolerant. Karl Popper described it as the seemingly self-contradictory idea that in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must retain the right to be intolerant of intolerance.

Ah shit here we go again. Popper's Paradox of Tolerance is widely misunderstood to be a licence to be intolerant yourself. For the last time : it is not. Popper was talking about a very specific case, where the intolerant exploit the tolerance of a society to physically take over that society and enforce their views. Until and unless you have evidence of that plausibly happening, there is no Paradox of Tolerance. You…

> You can tolerate each and every single one of them, you can tolerate infinite number of them, as long they don't try to make reality conform to what they preach.

If you let them say whatever they want on an online forum without any moderation you’ll end up with Voat, or something similar. The intolerant views take over.

Argue all the philosophy you like, practical experience shows that every time someone tries an unmoderated forum in any medium it ends up a cesspit of intolerance.

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by teakettle42 »

somehnguy wrote: post #252
adamrezich wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I feel hurt. >I shouldn’t be made to feel like this this is entitlement. en·ti·tle·ment /inˈtīdlmənt,enˈtīdlmənt/ noun the fact of having a right to something. somehow reading a Code of Ethics for an open-source project you had an extremely slim chance of ever contributing to has emotionally injured you enough to express said injury on the Internet. when you say "I should not be made to feel like this", you are sayi…

There's something about your line of commenting that just strikes me as dishonest and to be completely honest, kind of gross. I can't quite put my finger on why I feel that way about it though. Maybe the air of superiority that comes though, like you're talking down - 'so entitled, I however would never feel such a thing'. I dunno. Just thought I would say my thoughts out loud, take it as you will.

Frankly I thought the opposite.

It was a cogent breakdown of the flawed reasoning upon which then original author’s premise lies.

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by csdvrx »

kibwen wrote: post #243
generalizations wrote: post #205

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>> the developers are saying "we will treat you this way regardless of how you treat us" > in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must retain the right to be intolerant of intolerance I have a lot more respect for people whose ethics are not conditional on the behavior of others.

I find that somewhat short-sighted. Let's use a different example. Imagine you live in a society that allows personal gun ownership. Obviously, in such a society you still don't want people running around shooting each other willy-nilly, so you make a law: shoot someone, go to jail. Now imagine someone pulls out a gun and shoots you. Result: you're dead, they go to jail. However, you'd really prefer not to be dead. S…

> EDIT: I see this is being downvoted

FTFY

> would anyone care to explain their reasoning?

I think a lot of people on HN are just anti gun/very left wing, which may taint their judgement while your example was nice about the initiation of violence being the issue.

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by drewrv »

alphachloride wrote: post #241

I am not a prolific contributor in the open source scene, but I participate with some frequency. I've always thought Codes of conduct are simply platitudes to keep over-eager human resources personnel, twitter activists, and their ilk at bay. Never once have I ever felt the need to look over the codes on any service. Such pages are simply background noise that contribute nothing but the occupation of space to a proje…

Not an open source project, but I’ve seen a Code of Conduct save a local user group when drama erupted between a founding organizer and a regular member.

Having a written agreement and guidelines to mediate conflicts is vital once a community gets to a certain size. Humans have been doing this since Hammurabi.

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by paulryanrogers »

thrown_22 wrote: post #247
paulryanrogers wrote: post #67

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What would you consider the best response to the desire for clear boundaries and expectations from project communities?

Mockery and derision. Anyone who needs a document to understand what is acceptable and what isn't is not someone who you want in any project.

We were all young and ignorant once. My journey to community projects started at 17, and the forum rules common in that era did help me grow up a bit. Even if I was sometimes a nuisance.

Answering reasonable requests for clarity in a community with mockery and derision doesn't sound like a very welcoming place.

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by azth »

kennywinker wrote: post #26
ciupicri wrote: post #15

It's breeze of fresh air compared to most code of conducts which sound like communist propaganda. This and the Linux code of conflict.

I'm not sure what you think communism is, but: 2. Then, love your neighbor as yourself. 5. Do not steal. 6. Do not covet. 14. Relieve the poor. 15. Clothe the naked. 18. Be a help in times of trouble. 38. Be not lazy. Those are all pretty deeply in line with marxism. Jesus was a communist, after all.

Jesus Peace be upon him was not a communist. Islam (Submission) is not communism. All previous prophets and messengers were Muslims (Submitters) to God.

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by thrown_22 »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #257
thrown_22 wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mockery and derision. Anyone who needs a document to understand what is acceptable and what isn't is not someone who you want in any project.

We were all young and ignorant once. My journey to community projects started at 17, and the forum rules common in that era did help me grow up a bit. Even if I was sometimes a nuisance. Answering reasonable requests for clarity in a community with mockery and derision doesn't sound like a very welcoming place.

It doesn't.

Which is why it gave us Linux.

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