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Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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Interesting design. I made a lock a couple years ago that is quite similar in principle (though this design is different and has a couple nice improvements). https://youtu.be/_7vPNcnYWQ4 One of my main goals is to be an inspiration, though if it was based by my design I wish they’d credit it. Especially since they’re patenting it.

For others who might not have seen it, here's what the Lockpicking Lawyer had to say about that. He picked a lock with the same concept by swighton (Stuff Made Here), but exploited a flaw that had nothing to do with the mechanism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecy1FBdCRbQ I think one problem here is that the more complicated you make a locking mechanism, the more you suffer by increasing the attack surface with oth…

The other problem with increased complexity is that the more intricate your mechanism is, the more prone to failure due to wear or contamination it becomes. A security measure is only as good as it can remain usable. As a locksmith for working in the industry for 25 years, I've seen a lot of high security designs come and go, and the stuff that sticks is the stuff that's simple and reliable. The fundamental fact of locks and security is that people just don't pick locks much. The vast overwhelming majority of unauthorized accesses are via an acquired key or via bypass attacks on other aspects of the locking hardware than the keyed cylinder.

To put it bluntly, all these fancy pick-proof designs people are coming up with have zero real world utility and are just toys for locksport enthusiasts to play with.

EDIT: and really, I'd say all the patent discussion is moot. A patent is only useful if there's a market for your product. This product has design shortcomings that render it a non-starter for most applications, i.e. no master keying capacity, which makes it useless in any institutional setting, and a design necessity of using critical precision parts that won't handle outdoor exposure well, and a physical size that makes it incompatible with even the largest north american cylinder format. This is a product without a profitable customer base.

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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post #241

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For others who might not have seen it, here's what the Lockpicking Lawyer had to say about that. He picked a lock with the same concept by swighton (Stuff Made Here), but exploited a flaw that had nothing to do with the mechanism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecy1FBdCRbQ I think one problem here is that the more complicated you make a locking mechanism, the more you suffer by increasing the attack surface with oth…

The other problem with increased complexity is that the more intricate your mechanism is, the more prone to failure due to wear or contamination it becomes. A security measure is only as good as it can remain usable. As a locksmith for working in the industry for 25 years, I've seen a lot of high security designs come and go, and the stuff that sticks is the stuff that's simple and reliable. The fundamental fact of l…

As usual there's an XKCD that's relevant: https://xkcd.com/538/

I assume that most people know that this is more of a hobby thing (and a cool one), but I also forget that not everyone has demolished a house with a handheld reciprocating saw.

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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Interesting design. I made a lock a couple years ago that is quite similar in principle (though this design is different and has a couple nice improvements). https://youtu.be/_7vPNcnYWQ4 One of my main goals is to be an inspiration, though if it was based by my design I wish they’d credit it. Especially since they’re patenting it.

You can use a third party pre-issuance submission to ensure that the parent examiner considers your work as prior art during the application process. There’s no fee to file the first three documents you want to the examiner to consider. This will ensure he doesn’t get a patent which could be construed to block you from building your lock design.

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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You absolutely should sue them with prior art or something if they patent it. You had an amazing fairly well distributed YouTube video with this design anyway.

Anyone here can submit prior art during the patenting process. No suing or courts involved. You only have to care enough to make the submission. Interestingly, videos don't seem to count? It must be a written description? https://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/s2206.html

The examiner is definitely allowed to consider videos but it might not be easy to submit. Video subtitles/transcript, thumbnails, and comments would definitely count though. I would just print to PDF the YouTube video with the transcript sidebar, that should be enough info for the examiners to reject any overly broad claims.

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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He generally only shows locks he knows how to pick. Unlocking is the payoff to the video and I don't think I've seen a single video where he didn't succeed, but if you read between the lines on his older videos, you notice him talking about the locks he recently learned to pick, locks he's never been able to pick, and so on. He's very good, but he's not infallible. He just doesn't show his failures.

The only one I've seen was the Bowley lock. But yeah I sent my unpickable lock to him and he never mentioned it. :( https://youtu.be/7hUonUE1hEY

Very nice print job, wow.

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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It feels like you never looked at https://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/s2215.html and it might be worth giving that a quick read before pulling a number out of thin air. Yes, it costs money to get a patent invalidated based on prior art. But: an amount that even a single person who stands to actually gain from having a patent overturned should have no problem with. You're asking the USPO to spend time redoing w…

https://arapackelaw.com/inter-partes-review/ipr-better-inval... The AIPLA Report of the Economic Survey for 2017 notes that the typical patent infringement suit with less than $1 million at stake costs on average costs more than $600,000 dollars, while the typical patent infringement suit with between $1-10 million at stake costs on average nearly $1.5 million to litigate. https://blueironip.com/what-are-the-costs-to…

Arithmetic mean isn't a useful guide for litigation. Take the $600,000 as your entry price and you are on the right track.

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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A little strange to see someone applying for a patent for a version of someone else's design I'm pretty sure 95% of patent applications and 50% of granted patents are attempts to steal someone's invention out from under them.

Like Steve Jobs famously Said - something about stealing

I actually think Zaphod Beeblebrox got there earlier. As he willonhavedone by whenever he followed through.

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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Well, we don't know what his main job is, only that he lives in Washington DC. I would assume because of his location that he works for the US government, and that this is the reason he does not want his face on video.

he’s in corporate law. contracts and such.

was* afaik his channel, shop and counseling are his main jobs now.
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