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Post by betwixthewires »

Brian-Puccio wrote: post #128
jhawk28 wrote: post #48

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The split of pro/against is really close to 50/50. If you think that the smart people are only on one side or that only one side has "good" arguments, then you are living in a bubble. The argument over abortion was going on before Roe v Wade. Roe v Wade only prevented legislation from finding a solution.

> The split of pro/against is really close to 50/50. I’ve searched and I cannot find data that say half of America wants abortion made completely illegal (as it is in several states right now and will be in more shortly due to trigger laws). Can you please share where you get your 50/50 split from? > Roe v Wade only prevented legislation from finding a solution. Roe only? Roe made safe abortions available to millions…

The argument around roe is quite simply that it was an overreach of constitutional authority by the federal government. Now individual states, the people of them, can decide how they want to govern themselves. That's all that's changed.

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Post by nostrademons »

kjfdpoisfjkds wrote: post #50
JKCalhoun wrote: post #12

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Honestly, Apple should be dialing down investment in Texas.

Will they dial down investment in nations with far worse human rights or is this just virtue signaling?

It's just good business. There are lots of women at Google who are valued contributors and will leave if they are forced to live in a state hostile to them. Google can't afford for them to leave. Ergo, Google creates an environment where they can avoid hostile states and continue working for the corporation.

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Post by mikeyouse »

woodruffw wrote: post #236
alfor wrote: post #226

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How about people learn the consequences of sex instead of killing fetus? I would adopt a baby if it would save his life.

The “consequences” you’re glossing over here include rape (both forcible and statutory), fetuses who would die at childbirth anyways, who endanger the lives of their mothers, and so forth. There’s no single group of people who seek out abortions, and virtually nobody wants one in the abstract: they’re a means for preserving bodily autonomy and a necessary consequence of our legal respect for said autonomy.

I literally have a friend-of-a-friend right now being denied an abortion for a fetus with severe Anencephaly. There’s a group thread trying to figure out where she can travel to in order to terminate.

These fucking monsters want her to carry this non viable fetus for 5 more months to deliver a guaranteed stillborn baby with 0 chance of survival. Can you even imagine the trauma that would inflict on the mother? The number of people who are going to ask about her pregnancy? The severe health impacts she’s going to face because pregnancies are extremely taxing on the body? The most ignorant among us are making laws based on their uniformed feelings and it’s going to cause serious harm to a lot of people.

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Post by owl57 »

esolyt wrote: post #160
unmole wrote: post #66

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Relocating to low tax jurisdictions and boosting employee morale both contribute towards creating long term shareholder value. > The Russian sanctions actually surprised me in that a lot of corporations actually pulled out and fast. Companies either pulled out because they were legally obligated (That's what sanctions are) or they wanted to avoid reputational damage to their brands. Again, rational self interest. Cor…

> Companies either pulled out because they were legally obligated (That's what sanctions are) AFAIK, there were no sanctions regarding multinational corporations. McDonalds etc. were not legally obligated to pull out.

Yes, that's for publicity.

Renault has signed a deal where they sell the AvtoVAZ factory to Russian state but can buy back in the next 6 years and are in the meantime giving AvtoVAZ designs of new Renault models and assistance with getting parts for clones from more Russian-friendly countries.

McDonalds definitely feels like they're doing something similar but in a more covert way. Ate there in Moscow yesterday. They have a new logo, Big Mac is missing from menu (trademark negotiations probably?), but other than that I assure you they're re-open.

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Post by colinsane »

Quillbert182 wrote: post #209
wonnage wrote: post #119

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Apparently supporting basic human rights is too political now

Yes, the right to life is apparently quite controversial.

as is the right to consent.

i never agreed to be brought into this world, i’ll have you know.

man holding a butterfly: is this ?

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Post by alfor »

woodruffw wrote: post #228
alfor wrote: post #223

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So you think it’s ok, we shouldn’t have laws against that. It’s her choice. To be fair it was the case in primitive societies, they could dispose of the kids or the elderly at any time. I think a prefer a society where we protect the vulnerable, those who cannot defend themselves.

I think the person you’re replying to agrees with you; they were trying to intentionally be absurd. The only problem: a fetus is not a child, and this entire rhetorical strategy requires us to ignore that fact.

You are right, I thought it was some kind of stoicism.

I would say it’s a part of it, in the process of becoming a complete human.

We could say that abortion is a fractional murder

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Post by nkrisc »

alfor wrote: post #226
nkrisc wrote: post #210

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How about a compromise: you gestate the unwanted fetuses.

How about people learn the consequences of sex instead of killing fetus? I would adopt a baby if it would save his life.

Ah, so it’s really punishment.

Also, it’s funny that states that now ban abortions have the highest teen pregnancy rates so someone isn’t teaching them the consequences of sex.

Lastly, there are plenty of already born children waiting to be adopted. Are you doing your part?

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Post by betwixthewires »

gadflyinyoureye wrote: post #10
lettergram wrote: post #6

I wonder if this is a business decision that has shown it could be profitable. I can imagine people without kids work more hours. Then again, they have a lot less to lose. Interesting business decision. The question I have, some states are going to call abortion murder and charge it as such. Is Google aiding and abetting a homicide?

Possibly. Now the fun will begin if when the Feds stake a claim via the Commerce Clause to make inter-state abortion travel a right. This could end run Roe's overturn because the Feds could say that a State not allowing abortions will affect the price of abortions much like the Feds said you can't hold back corn grown on your farm to feed your livestock because that would prevent the corn from going to market at a ma…

I hope to see that happen particularly because I'd love to see the supreme court overturn that commerce clause ruling (I forget the case but I'm familiar with it) because it is clearly nonsense. But any state law restricting travel to another state for abortion would be unconstitutional, yes, no state can pass a law criminalizing behavior in another state, thankfully.

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Post by Jcowell »

proxyon wrote: post #230
kgwxd wrote: post #194

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I moved to Fort Worth a long time ago for work, we had a 1 year old. I didn't really like the idea of him going to school with kids... lets say, of the "Texas mentality", but was really just using the job as a stepping stone to get out of my home state and hoped to be in CA before he'd reach school age. The first week there we met a family that had also just moved from a northern state and ended up hanging out with t…

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