I don't understand their spouse data being very different for males and females. Are there significantly fewer women in Japan, is there a significant difference in gay and lesbian marriage, is there polygamy? I think people are not reflecting the same relationship as their presumed partner would.
Many single Japanese people in their 20s have never been on a date – survey
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Our first kiss was in a barn standing in sheep shit.
That's a nice date, well done ;)
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I'm an old British person and "dating" does sound kind of American to me. People would "go out" together, which I guess is similar but is more like "starting a relationship" than "trying people out with a view to maybe starting a relationship". Which I don't think we really had a term for. I think "dating" in that sense only started seeming commonplace with online dating. Of course people would do things with people…
“Doing things with people you are romantically interested in” is what dating means, whether you use the term actively or not. More context can be found here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dating
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> Your hair doesn’t suddenly get thicker. The pounds don’t suddenly become easier to keep off. Your skin doesn’t tighten. Your complexion doesn’t smoothen out. All of this is also true for women.
And?
How often do you see women in their 30's dating 22 year old men? If youth is what they are after I feel like you would see that a lot more often.
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Not in America or Europe in recent history. But 100 or 150 years ago here, group meetings (e.g., church, one family visiting another) could certainly lead to an offer of marriage (and request for paternal permission). Private one-on-one meetings would have been highly discouraged except under controlled conditions.
What's your point? Is that past with arranged marriages and lack of courtship somehow better than two people getting to know each other one on one?
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> One-on-one interaction would naturally occur as the casual hanging out with shared groups of friends or parties. Modern America, by and large, does not have the shared spaces and sense of community where these interactions could occur. As Robert Putnam said it, we're literally 'Bowling Alone'. "Dates" are a band-aid, their only positive is they avoid the alternative of universal inceldom.
Modern America does: they're called Bars, Nightclubs, Saloons, HonkyTonks, Festivals, Beaches. I met my wife at a Meetup for 20-somethings hosted at a Brewery (Bar). I'm from Australia, and meeting women at these venues in America is much easier than in my home country - large Australians cities have such a huge influx of young Indian male migrants, that the gender ratios at many of these venues are inequitable.
But you went to America.
Which is ironic on multiple levels but atleast you met your wife :)
(btw, didn't you see Indians in America?)
Re: Many single Japanese people in their 20s have never been on a date – survey
#257Controversial opinion: The concept of a 'date' is an american romantic film import for a lot of other cultures. If I go back 10 years in my home country any woman would shut down your conversation if you asked her on a _one-on-one_ 'date', the implication alone would question her 'virtue'/intentions. One-on-one interaction would naturally occur as the casual hanging out with shared groups of friends or parties. I hon…
Dating in the west almost feels like an interview these days, at least in the Bay Area. “So where do you see yourself in 5-10 years”? What’s next, you going to ask me to invert a binary tree?
It is an interview for a position that doesn't actually exist.
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^ This guy gets it. The widespread idea that too little material wealth, and lousy working condition is what prevents family formation and procreation is one of those things that the people who inherit the earth from us (should there still be any) will be laughing in a few hundred years, just like we find it unfathomable that our ancestors honestly believed in witches and the reality of curses and magic spells.
Consider that it's more expensive to have children have children as well. It's not so much too little material wealth as it is too little wealth to sustain the "normal" childhood. Not so long ago, kids existed as cheap labor and a retirement account. One didn't need to treat them like human beings much less provide literacy or schooling to them. Whatever functional uses they had before have been replaced by machines…
Obviously, people in our times just don't care about having children that strongly, so even mild (in comparison) sacrifices required are enough to make them go childless.
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#259I don’t know that much about Japan, so forgive me, but I was under the impression that in Japan there was a lot of shame attached to sex, and sexuality. Could the view on sex, particularly casual sex, impact dating?
Japan does not shame sex -they have compensated "dating", soaplands, love hotels, etc..., And maybe that is part of the problem. Maybe it's not. It's possible that if they made sex more taboo then, at least teenagers would seek it out more as a way to break the rules. On the other hand they as a culture tend to follow rules more than in the "west". So maybe it would be a wash. Some cultures practice "Bundling" to get…
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“Doing things with people you are romantically interested in” is what dating means, whether you use the term actively or not. More context can be found here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dating
Does there not have to be some sort of overt mutual acknowledgement that it's that kind of date, in order for it to be "dating"?