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Post by CameronNemo »

jstream67 wrote: post #172
CameronNemo wrote: post #100

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I really hope an electric car model will take up the mantle for reliability and repair ability. Toyota is lagging hard in the EV space. Maybe those Chevy Bolts will last a while? Or the Kia EVs? Probably the F150s, but I'd prefer a compact.

That would probably be Tesla? I suppose it depends on your definition of repair-ability. Telsa has a high degree of parts compatibility and seems able to keep even the older 2012 era Model S repaired. There are a lot of high mileage Teslas out there. Most of Tesla's negative reputation seems to be people complaining about fit and finish (paint, panel gaps). The actual mechanical reliability seems to be quite higher t…

Teslas seem to have a reputation of being locked down and requiring first party repairs. As an example, Tesla charges extremely high fees for its repair documentation to shops.

Considering how many Teslas have been shipped, a postmarket community forming around the vehicles seems likely. I just don't know how successful it will be when the manufacturer is so hostile toward third party repairs and tinkering overall.

I don't doubt they are reliable cars, though. So are Apple computers and phones.

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Post by coding123 »

namecheapTA wrote: post #250
fooker wrote: post #103

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> That's probably pretty close to what it was in 1996 also. No, this is wrong. Minimum wage in 1996 was around 5$ Per hour and gas was below 1$ per gallon.

Gas was not below $1 a gallon in 1996. Especially not in California. Also, cars weren't getting the mpg they are now. Cost per mile relative to minimum wage probably isn't that far off.. which you can probably see from data that basically everyone is driving as much as ever.. because other than mental sticker shock, it's still fine.

Literally $1.10 (and often less) at the station down the street from my home in San Jose. My car had roughly the same mileage as my 2011 car that a drunk person recently destroyed.

Right now, even if min wage is what, $15, a gallon is $6, so I don't understand what you are saying.

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Post by causi »

empyrrhicist wrote: post #236
causi wrote: post #173

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I mean, driving at 80 vs 70 will also vastly decrease your ICE mileage It definitely increases the drag, but after spending a week driving at 70 the difference in mileage was almost unnoticeable. It helps that I have a small, aerodynamic car that's geared high instead of a truck or blocky SUV.

I find that very hard to believe, given that drag increases with the third power of velocity. By almost unnoticeable do you mean that you didn't notice it, or did you robustly measure and compare?

It's entirely possible, even likely, the lack of difference is due to age-related efficiency losses at lower speeds rather than not losing efficiency between 70 and 80. There's also the fact I'm running AC on max in very hot weather, which maximizes the loss due to AC and increases the amount I save by shortening the trip and thus reducing the amount of time the AC is running.

My overall trip efficiency maxing out at 70 was 31mpg, and 80 was 27.9mpg.

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Post by bluGill »

wlesieutre wrote: post #192
bluGill wrote: post #171

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> Been driving for 20+ years and no accidents That is luck not skill. Humans are not good drives and never can be. > Stay focused on the task at hand and be responsible. That helps. It would help some more if you would also get updated training - safety engineers have discovered a lot of things over the years that few people know.

>That is luck not skill. It's both. Even if an accident is the other driver's fault, there are plenty of cases where driving more defensively would have let you avoid it. But yes, there's luck too. If you're sitting in traffic at a red light and someone drives into you, not a lot you could do to prevent it.

Luck is enough. The average road is about 2 accidents per million miles. https://www.dot.ny.gov/divisions/operating/osss/highway/acci... so if we assume the OP doesn't drive drunk he is isn't enough above average to claim skill based on the evidence we have.

More importantly, the OP should not claim skill even if he has some: that leads to complacency. If he claims luck he is more likely to admit he isn't perfect and thus pay attention to changes in what he best practice for driving. What he was taught in drivers training 20 years ago assuredly has some things that we now know were wrong, and it didn't even cover some things we now know is important.

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Post by kittiepryde »

bluGill wrote: post #171
MisterTea wrote: post #154

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Most of the safety driver aids seem to paper over incompetency and the fact that people can't put their phones down while operating a deadly vehicle. Been driving for 20+ years and no accidents. I also mainly drive older vehicles without any such tech save for ABS. Stay focused on the task at hand and be responsible. If you cant do that, then surrender your drivers license and use an alternative transportation method…

> Been driving for 20+ years and no accidents That is luck not skill. Humans are not good drives and never can be. > Stay focused on the task at hand and be responsible. That helps. It would help some more if you would also get updated training - safety engineers have discovered a lot of things over the years that few people know.

I don't think bluGill is entirely wrong ( as indicated by the downvoting ), the average driver believes they're better than the average, which isn't possible. But, I'm sure, the average person is much better than then average _some_ of the time, and they're thinking about their best when they rank themselves -- I think this falls into the same reasoning as, 'we judge others based on their actions and we judge ourselves based on our intentions' -- intending to drive error free is likely much more common than actually driving error free

But, it also sounds like, some of the driver assist features aren't so good yet either ( reading many of the other comments in this thread )

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Post by Auracle »

alliao wrote: post #247
Auracle wrote: post #224

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Sudden acceleration has saved me from an accident or two. There are times when it’s better to accelerate out of an something rather than brake.

living my dream! I've been driving for 25yrs now? never got to accelerate out of an accident even once. would've been really cool lol what was the situation like? like people swerving into your path?

Nothing major - one was an inattentive driver in a parking lot headed my way and at least one more was avoiding a deer. If there's a pack of deer stopping can often be a bad idea as they're get spooked enough to run right in to your car and cause damage. It's happened to me twice.

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Post by jiveturkey »

bluGill wrote: post #204
jiveturkey wrote: post #108

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For Toyota, there are no custom orders. You wait until the dealer gets a specific allocation. I imagine that this is due to their precisely tuned JIT manufacturing? For many other brands, your custom order goes to the factory when you make some small commitment.

JIT can allow customization. Toyota doesn't want to work that way, but others do. John Deere (the company I work for) makes everything to order, when you place your order you are buying a spot on the assembly line for the options you want. We can't even make all the combinationally possible options in a single year for many products (big car makers have much larger volumes). Whatever options you want is what we will…

> JIT can allow customization

Yep. All the large car manufacturers, and maybe all of them large and small, have JIT supply chains. I didn't mean to imply that JIT couldn't support customization, since obviously others allow you to build custom, just that Toyota's reasons for not doing customization may be linked to their particular JIT choices. And not some other deciding factor.

It's worth noting that Toyota suffered least (or last, anyway) with COVID-related supply chain restrictions. Their JIT is a particularly fine-tuned machine. They are the inventors of it, are they not? I read somewhere that many, if not most, others' are a poor simulacrum of Toyota's, and they don't understand it really. Like the way that most people implement microservices, or big-A Agile.

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Post by MertsA »

derefr wrote: post #74
csours wrote: post #8

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Disclosure: I work for GM. Anything expressed here is solely my own opinion and experience. I think each statement is true. Context: for ages, OEMs (the factory) have had a belief that Americans will not wait to buy a car. There's also a bit of a prisoner's dilemma: if any automaker wanted to trim inventories, the customer could go to a competing automaker's lot and buy today. Since customers will not wait to buy a c…

> Dealerships hate carrying extra inventory because it costs money to finance the vehicles until they sell them. Why aren't dealerships just consignment stores for cars? That seems like it'd work out better for everyone involved. (And they could still follow "manufacturers can't sell direct" regulations, by having the dealership buy the car from the manufacturer just-in-time to resell it, once they've already got a s…

That's also essentially how a lot of financing arrangements are already made on the consumer side anyways. When getting financing over the weekend the dealer will draft up a contract between them and the consumer and then later on transfer the actual loan to the financial institution actually providing financing. It wouldn't be that much more convoluted for the dealer to sign the contract and then settle the whole ownership - loan holder details right afterwards.

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Post by [deleted] »

eweise wrote: post #170
jazzyjackson wrote: post #99

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I don't really see how $6 gas is materially different from $4 gas And yea, F150s and Tundras are still going to outsell anything less than 5 feet tall, don't really know what to tell ya

Sure. And that's why there is a waiting list a mile long for electric F150s.

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Post by cjrp »

staticman2 wrote: post #178
argonaut wrote: post #116

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I'm all for frugality, but with a newer car you're getting vastly improved crash safety. Over the years crash safety ratings have gotten tougher and tougher. You can browse the IIHS crash rating history for the Camry (or any other car) and you can often observe that when the IIHS introduces a new test, cars often perform poorly on it (high likelihood of injury) initially, but get better later on. https://www.iihs.org…

That doesn't show you are getting vastly improved crash safety. Only looking at injury data in the real world would show that. It's my understanding new cars are not significantly safer than cars from 10 years ago.

> Only looking at injury data in the real world would show that.

What if technology in the newer cars (adaptive cruise control, forward collision warning, etc.) prevents injuries altogether?

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