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Re: TomTom to cut 10% of jobs due to improved automation

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False. People greatly prefer CarPlay if they are iPhone users, and already people are refusing to buy any car that doesn't support it. Phone holders are over. Even as early as 2017, the majority of car buyers already wanted CarPlay in a new vehicle and one-quarter of buyers said it was a "must have". That was five years ago. I'm sure the numbers are much higher now. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/29/apple-carplay-massi…

Is that a US thing?

Could be more of a US thing, sure. I don't have data at hand right now about CarPlay adoption in Europe. From this list, though, it certainly looks like European carmakers have very robust CarPlay support:

https://www.apple.com/ios/carplay/available-models/

Re: TomTom to cut 10% of jobs due to improved automation

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I used to work for TomTom maybe 10 years ago. I was there when Google started offering turn by turn navigation for free. Other issue was live traffic information. As you might imagine all this caused some concern among employees because that was, I think, the main source of revenue for the company. They were already doing some other stuff like fitness wearables but they didn't seem to be leaning into it. Main idea fo…

I heard a similar story from a friend who works for ARM. It was a fun ride, but now extra fat and spent is being cut away for IPO.

Re: TomTom to cut 10% of jobs due to improved automation

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Don't forget the best part -- if you do want to update the maps they want to charge you 300+ dollars every year!

Is that an exorbitant amount of money for maintaining a (global?) digital map? Google messes up our sense of value with their ad money.

Considering standalone GPS units used to charge like 50 bucks (and now I think a lot of them charge nothing/bake it into the up front cost) yeah I'd say so. Garmin currently charges something like 100 bucks for their updates based on some quick searching.

The built in unit for your car is a captive market, they're definitely gouging. Especially nowadays when it's almost impossible to replace them with an aftermarket unit due to how integrated they have become.

Re: TomTom to cut 10% of jobs due to improved automation

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Free mapping existed before Google Maps. Mapping isn't the hard part or the expensive part, the hardware is. Smartphones have GPS and when people started getting smartphones, the value of having a separate navigation devices went to zero-ish unless it's built in to your car or maybe some low power thing for wilderness exploration (or having a boat or a plane or that kind of thing)

> Free mapping existed before Google Maps. Not sure if free mapping really existed as an accessible (mobile) product, considering that nearly everyone had to buy the mapdata from dedicated companies (Navteq and TeleAtlas dominated the market, Navteq was later acquired by Nokia, TeleAtlas by TomTom) In any case, free NAVIGATION didn't exist until Google Maps came along, completely disrupting the whole industry of "cas…

> In any case, free NAVIGATION didn't exist until Google Maps came along

Map quest was around and popular. Google maps was better for many reasons but it really was an evolutionary product.

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I have no experience with tom tom but I was a garmin user, and I got the sense that tom toms were pretty much identical. IMO an integrated tom tom into the car, if it performs as well as the external unit, would be amazingly better than your cell phone. The biggest advantage imo is satellite coverage is much better than quality data network coverage. I'm not even talking about in the boonies. Plenty of times in the m…

I have an older in-car system and my experience is the opposite. First, the car doesn't download map data. I'm stuck with what was on the car when I bought it unless I want to pay an unreasonable amount to update it. Second, it does download traffic data, but it's so slow that it's useless. I took its advice once and it cost me over an hour, because the alternate route had already filled up and had the disadvantage o…

The in-car GPS systems are a disaster (because the car manufacturers see them as "cash after sale") but the separate/dedicated GPS units are pretty good.

The updates and traffic information is, or at least was, free.

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I just saw a car with their logo and a couple roof mounted cameras driving around in my area last week. Apparently doing a streetview kind of thing.

It's not necessarily for a street view style product, they could just be gathering ground truth data for more accurate maps. (I've always been surprised that Tesla didn't leverage their fleet of cars covered in cameras to build a maps product.)

I'd imagine some mix of legal liability, pr issues, and the fact that Teslas only traverse a minority of the planet would mean it would just be another map & not disruptive to google or apple maps.

Re: TomTom to cut 10% of jobs due to improved automation

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I used to work for TomTom maybe 10 years ago. I was there when Google started offering turn by turn navigation for free. Other issue was live traffic information. As you might imagine all this caused some concern among employees because that was, I think, the main source of revenue for the company. They were already doing some other stuff like fitness wearables but they didn't seem to be leaning into it. Main idea fo…

Interesting that going deeper integrated into cars was their game plan. I've never used our in-car GPS (other than playing with it once). If it was any good it has a ton of advantages over using Google, including display on the "speedometer" screen. Sadly, it's pants. It comically announces caution stationary traffic on the M25, generally after we've been stationary for 5 minutes. The navigation directions aren't as…

I am opposite, I used Android auto once and it was inferior to the car's own: audio distortions, choppy display, takes a while before it figures orientation of the car, does not show in the instrument display and HUD, directions timing is off etc. Distortion and choppiness seem to come from the whatever protocol it uses to communicate with the car, Google Maps on the same phone are pretty smooth.

The car's maps are not as up to date as Google's - they miss some road closures, do not have some businesses names so need to enter address (or can just send a location from Google Map to the car), sometimes believe a street is one-way even if it is not or try to make a turn that does not exist any more but I can deal with an occasional glitch every few months instead of dealing with the inferior UI all the time.

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I have an older in-car system and my experience is the opposite. First, the car doesn't download map data. I'm stuck with what was on the car when I bought it unless I want to pay an unreasonable amount to update it. Second, it does download traffic data, but it's so slow that it's useless. I took its advice once and it cost me over an hour, because the alternate route had already filled up and had the disadvantage o…

> Third, it can't navigate a path without connecting to the satellite (seemingly for traffic data, but possibly it isn't even calculating the path locally). I’m confused by what you are saying here. In-car navigation use satelites to know where the car is. If it can’t path plan without satelite connection then that is most likely because it is waiting for a localisation fix. Trafic information could be coming through…

Sirius sells traffic info add-on, which is broadcast from the satellite. It is not as detailed as the data-linked apps in cars/phones and is only available for the few big metros but can get the traffic info on an older car's nav system.

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https://github.com/jkrejcha/AdmiraList/blob/master/AdmiraLis...

That's a good list. This one seems more up to date, apparently the owner is scraping from somewhere: https://github.com/dotspencer/block-admiral

Added to my DNS66 and PiHole, thanks.
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