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Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by samstave »

guardiangod wrote: post #200
cooperadymas wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would challenge you to find a 2022 Dell or HP with a trackpoint.

https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/pdp/hp-elitebook-840-g8-notebo... Just got a new one from work. It's literally in front of me right now. Granted the laptop's build quality is questionable (the right hinge's case bulges higher than the left) and the trackpoint has a tendency to get stuck to one direction.

I have a flagship HP Omen 15" gaming laptop. The case is garbage, but the screen and guts are good.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by mjard »

nrp wrote: post #182
deng wrote: post #101

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Does the laptop support proper S3 sleep, or is this impossible with modern Intel CPUs?

S3 was technically not supported in 11th Gen Intel Core, but seemed to mostly work anyway. S3 is also not technically supported in 12th Gen Intel Core, and it seems to mostly not work at the moment, and it is unclear if that will change. However, s0ix continues to improve substantially in recent kernels, to the point where there doesn't seem to be a major standby battery life advantage to s3 anymore (on 11th Gen).

Would love to see a blog post on how your team diagnoses/profiles power issues.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by thebiglebrewski »

Super excited about this launch today! Come work with us on the Rails monolith that powers https://frame.work/ if you're stoked too - we're hiring a Senior Full Stack Engineer: https://jobs.lever.co/framework/1d6559b2-ccf9-4391-bded-6303...

Lots of exciting projects coming up as we expand the Marketplace around the world and have more big launches on the horizon. Fully remote, and having every other Friday off is a nice benefit :)

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by dhruvmittal »

hit8run wrote: post #231
cowtools wrote: post #218

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besides the fact that "retina display" is a marketing term invented by Apple, I don't really see what the big deal is. I have pretty good vision and I don't notice individual pixels on my 1080p screen. More pixels means more load on the GPU.

1080p !?! Wow I didn’t know that there are professionals out there using such a shitty resolution. You are definitely not the target audience for high quality hardware then I guess.

While I prefer my personal machines to have 1440p or 4k resolutions, I'm perfectly happy with my work PC's 1080p screen for development and email. I'm hardly watching videos or gaming on that machine, and I don't find that fonts are noticeably sharper at the size that I prefer them on a 15" laptop display.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by beepbooptheory »

hit8run wrote: post #231
cowtools wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

besides the fact that "retina display" is a marketing term invented by Apple, I don't really see what the big deal is. I have pretty good vision and I don't notice individual pixels on my 1080p screen. More pixels means more load on the GPU.

1080p !?! Wow I didn’t know that there are professionals out there using such a shitty resolution. You are definitely not the target audience for high quality hardware then I guess.

I hear some people call themselves professionals and don't even use gold-plated HDMI cables.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by layla5alive »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #239
cowtools wrote: post #218

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besides the fact that "retina display" is a marketing term invented by Apple, I don't really see what the big deal is. I have pretty good vision and I don't notice individual pixels on my 1080p screen. More pixels means more load on the GPU.

For some people, High-DPI displays are the type of upgrade that you don't notice until you've been using it for a while and have to switch back to the old technology. I was also fine with lower resolutions for years because that was the only option. After using high-DPI displays for a couple years, I can't stand working on old low-DPI monitors for long periods of time. It's similar to how we were all happy with our m…

I have a 4k 14" ThinkPad X1 Carbon and I happily use it at 100% scaling.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by tluyben2 »

Goronmon wrote: post #154
sryie wrote: post #136

I recently received my first framework laptop after being a loyal Thinkpad user for years. I am loving it so far. I run Ubuntu 22.04 daily and have not had any issues with battery life or the lid (but I do typically leave it plugged in during lunch and overnight). The expansion cards are brilliant and the keyboard is comparable to my old t-series. The aspect ratio is great for coding and I'm happy to see upgradeabili…

I recently received my first framework laptop after being a loyal Thinkpad user for years. I get excited about different laptops occasionally...and then I remember that I won't have a trackpoint if I switch to a different brand, and I get disappointed. Literally happens every few months.

That's why I have high hopes for (something like) the Frame.work; it should be possible to just get another keyboard 'part' which actually does have a trackpoint (and even no trackpad but other stuff theoretically). Someone, either Frame.work themselves or someone else needs to make it, but at least it's possible.

Edit: I would pay for such a keyboard for the Frame.work; it would actually very much stimulate me to buy one! I really hope to see crowdfunding from people who just make a Frame.work part.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by foodstances »

justin66 wrote: post #72

> We’ve redesigned our lid assembly for significantly improved rigidity They should make this part available to existing users as a warranty replacement. It sounds like they've addressed a common complaint on their support forums. The lid that flops over because of the hinge's weakness, and the absurd excuses made by company personnel (they claim it was designed this way "to accommodate opening the laptop with one ha…

They upgraded the hinges at some point during manufacturing to address the screen falling down during light movement:

https://frame.work/products/display-hinge-kit?v=FRANFB0001

I believe this upgraded lid assembly is to address the screen wobbling during typing. It's a very thin lid and has a lot of flex, so the tighter hinge just transfers the force into the lid, causing it to wobble. Hopefully this will be eliminated with this upgraded lid.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by foodstances »

motiejus wrote: post #37

Any photos of how the ethernet expansion card will look like while plugged in? Looks like it's bigger than the expansion slot. I intend to keep it there permanently, which brings questions about durability, especially when carrying the laptop around.

https://frame.work/products/ethernet-expansion-card

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by Rebelgecko »

ProAm wrote: post #219
petilon wrote: post #217

Still no retina display option. Steve Jobs made the right call over a decade ago... the only scaling that looks good after 100% is 200%. Any in-between scaling will have display artifacts. This laptop has 150% scaling. What sort of display artifacts can you expect because of this? Go to a web page with a grid, with 1-pixel horizontal grid lines. Even though all lines are set to 1-pixel, some lines will appear thicker…

It also doesn't have a touchbar and has an excessive amount of ports!

Framework laptop actual has fewer ports than MBPs (although they're configurable which is neat, with the caveat that some like expansion ports HDMI are a big drain on battery life, even when inactive)
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