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Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by thomasfedb »

chmod600 wrote: post #232
thomasfedb wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're accusing me, be good enough to be specific.

"please let us live our lives... not a lot more to it" But there is more to it. There are issues about women's sports, public education, the ethics of irreversible medical procedures on minors without an objective diagnosis, etc. You explicitly avoided the controversy, and it's not really fair to do that.

I do really think that what most trans activists (and most trans people) want is "please let us live our lives". That said, I'm in Australia, and maybe things are really different wherever you are.

Of course, "live our lives" includes trans kids being able to live their lives too, being safe at their school, etc. And trans people should be able to play sport if they like, it's a healthy thing to do.

As far as social sport goes, I personally prefer mixed sport, but I think that the excitement over trans people playing in women's leagues is unnecessary. At the professional level, I can understand a need for a bit more precision, but my understanding is that the international sporting bodies have regulations and they (the sporting bodies) don't seem to think there's a big issue.

As far as "irreversible medical procedures on minors" goes... (and this is the one that spurred me on to reply) ...it's just not a thing.

And again, I'm in Australia, but I'm pretty sure this applies globally. To my knowledge, we simply do not perform reassignment surgery on children.

The WPATH (World Professional Association for Transgender Health) guidelines (available here: https://www.wpath.org/media/cms/Documents/SOC%20v7/SOC%20V7_... ) clearly state that one of the criteria for surgery is being "the legal age of majority to give consent for medical procedures in a given country"

Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by PolygonSheep »

nautilius wrote: post #209
h3cate wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where did they say they weren't acknowledging or accomodating trans people? Original comment clearly acknowledges trans people exist?

OP very clearly writes that they "don't think it's transphobic to push back on trans activists" who, unlike him, "demand the world accommodate" . Again, the only 'accommodation' that is asked is to just let them live. Seems like not a hard thing to do, and not something one would have to go out of their way of to 'push back against'. If you don't like the thought of buttfucking, don't. If you don't like the thought o…

> Again, the only 'accommodation' that is asked is to just let them live. Seems like not a hard thing to do, and not something one would have to go out of their way of to 'push back against'.

But OP is letting them live. Unless you are alleging OP is running around killing trans people??

Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by justinmchase »

nautilius wrote: post #101
okareaman wrote: post #35

I can't help but feel this is aimed at trans activists who protested the Chappelle special. I think he went too far at a couple places, but that's what comedians do. I don't think it's transphobic to push back on trans activists. I have problematic issues (bipolar, recovering alcoholic) but I don't go around demanding the world accommodate me and calling people who won't listen to me haters.

Not sure what that steep price is you would pay to 'accommodate' trans people? It requires nothing on your part except for acknowledging and respecting their existence.

Not correct, it harms people and they attempt to convert others which can result in harm to your family and friends.

Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by justinmchase »

ambrozk wrote: post #46
joemazerino wrote: post #4

I cancelled my Netflix account after the whole Cuties debacle. While visiting my friends I have noticed that Netflix content quality has been dropping sharply the last few years. Let's hope this exodus of customers and content creators will create a new, more interesting industry for the future.

Sidebar, but the "Cuties debacle" is nothing more than a moral panic. Cuties is a great movie about an immigrant kid struggling to cope with a broken home by escaping her parents and becoming a "normal French girl." She doesn't know how to fit in so she tries to gain acceptance with her non-immigrant school-friends by hyper-sexualizing herself. The story a searing criticism of the sexualization of children, not a cel…

Its not a great movie, you don't need to see the whole movie in order to see enough to realize its fucking sick.

Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by justinmchase »

nicolas_t wrote: post #18
joemazerino wrote: post #4

I cancelled my Netflix account after the whole Cuties debacle. While visiting my friends I have noticed that Netflix content quality has been dropping sharply the last few years. Let's hope this exodus of customers and content creators will create a new, more interesting industry for the future.

I actually think that Cuties was widely mischaracterised as a movie by people who didn't watch it and just reacted to what they thought the content of the movie was. It's actually a good thoughtful coming of age movie that talks about important topics and actually criticises the culture of hypersexualisation of young girls.

You don't need to seem much to realize the movie is sick and if you watched it and didn't think it was sick then there's something wrong with you.

Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by thomasfedb »

renox wrote: post #245
thomasfedb wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would be reasonable to expand that to "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism against trans people". Hate is a pretty high bar perhaps? The etymology of the -isms and the -phobias is unfortunate. But the -phobias are not really about fear.

Discrimination is a fuzzy word.. Is-it discrimination to forbid trans-women to participate in the same sports category as bio-women?

A blanket ban would be I think. Having a blanket ban demonstrates that you are judging transgender people on their transgender status alone, rather than making an evidence-based assessment of whether a particular athlete has an unfair advantage.

The International Olympic Committee, for example, has a framework for precisely this (you can read it here, it's pretty easy going: https://stillmed.olympics.com/media/Documents/News/2021/11/I... ) and I think it demonstrates really well that they've put a good amount of thought into being fair.

I think you'd have a hard time saying that the IOC framework is discrimination.

Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by justinmchase »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #85
joemazerino wrote: post #4

I cancelled my Netflix account after the whole Cuties debacle. While visiting my friends I have noticed that Netflix content quality has been dropping sharply the last few years. Let's hope this exodus of customers and content creators will create a new, more interesting industry for the future.

Funny - I find Netflix content keeps getting better. Dark, Ozark, Unorthodox, Russian Doll, Sense8, Love Sex & Robots, The OA. Not as good as HBO - but honestly it seems close. If anything - HBO's content seems to be on the decline more than Netflix. It's still top notch, but it used to be outstanding. Netflix is really mastering the wide appeal & good enough content: 13 Reasons Why, Elite, Bridgerton, Bird Box, etc.…

The OA is amazing... to bad they cancelled it!

Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by pdimitar »

otde wrote: post #233
ok_dad wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you be opposed to individuals choosing to live as they will? Suppose I was trans, why would you be scared of or hate me knowing nothing else? I’m not trans, but I don’t get the hate, trans people literally don’t affect you a bit.

The sibling comment actually does a pretty good job articulating why we as trans people (surprise! I’m one of them) receive the reactions we do. It’s a fundamental disgust at the concept of a trans person existing, full stop. In an ideal world for these people, we simply would not exist. We challenge their expectations by asking to be addressed in a way that goes against their ideas of what gender, at its core, means…

> We challenge their expectations by asking to be addressed in a way that goes against their ideas of what gender, at its core, means to them.

Nope, you're asking for a special treatment in an environment where 99.9% of people don't care how you want to be called. Not because they hate you -- it's because they're not there to fight for your rights.

My name has at least 12 different ways to be pronounced in my country -- most of them in a semi-mocking manner, too -- and at one point I simply stopped caring even if I didn't like being called as some people do. Felt like pissing against the wind and I figured I'm not going to waste my time arguing with people whose only goal is to tease. They give up literally seconds later when ignored.

I feel that some trans people are just barking up the wrong tree at the wrong time. in a normal social setting -- say, in a restaurant, or a cafe in the park -- people are there to socialize or network. Not to fight the good fight against trans people being harmed.

Of course I'm not even touching on the psychopaths who would pursue and physically harm you. I'm addressing the problem of people bringing the issues that are close to their hearts in a social setting where people don't care and are looking negatively at the idea of forcing that discussion right there and then.

And I feel that point of view is very often missed by people who feel they have to fight for various social justice causes.

Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by joemazerino »

ambrozk wrote: post #46
joemazerino wrote: post #4

I cancelled my Netflix account after the whole Cuties debacle. While visiting my friends I have noticed that Netflix content quality has been dropping sharply the last few years. Let's hope this exodus of customers and content creators will create a new, more interesting industry for the future.

Sidebar, but the "Cuties debacle" is nothing more than a moral panic. Cuties is a great movie about an immigrant kid struggling to cope with a broken home by escaping her parents and becoming a "normal French girl." She doesn't know how to fit in so she tries to gain acceptance with her non-immigrant school-friends by hyper-sexualizing herself. The story a searing criticism of the sexualization of children, not a cel…

I appreciate your points but I am not interested in watching a movie about the hyper sexualization of children or funding the service that provides it. Pedophilia is pedophilia no matter if it is satire, fiction or documented.

Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by [deleted] »

renox wrote: post #245
thomasfedb wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would be reasonable to expand that to "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism against trans people". Hate is a pretty high bar perhaps? The etymology of the -isms and the -phobias is unfortunate. But the -phobias are not really about fear.

Discrimination is a fuzzy word.. Is-it discrimination to forbid trans-women to participate in the same sports category as bio-women?

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