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Including “And. And. And. And. And.” in a Google doc causes it to crash

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Re: Including “And. And. And. And. And.” in a Google doc causes it to crash

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Here's 21 in a row, by Martin Gardner: Wouldn’t the sentence ‘I want to put a hyphen between the words Fish and And and And and Chips in my Fish-And-Chips sign’ have been clearer if quotation marks had been placed before Fish, and between Fish and and, and and and And, and And and and, and and and And, and And and and, and and and Chips, as well as after Chips?

Can't one just keep recursing further? Only with very careful intonation and appropriate pauses after a comma can someone read Gardner's above sentence aloud such that a listener can fully grok the connection between "and" and "and,", and "and," and "and", and "and" and "and", and "and" and "and", and "and" and "And,", and "And," and "and", and "and" and "And", and "And" and "and", and "and" and "and,", and "and," an…

I mean, if you're allowing that, what's wrong with:

> You should have seen this sign, it had 1000 ands in a row, and there was too much space between and and and and and and and and and ...

Re: Including “And. And. And. And. And.” in a Google doc causes it to crash

#252
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I probably should have left [redacted]'s name out of it. He's a nice guy, but a bit cynical and rough on the edges, at least he was 15 years ago. He fit in well in New York, brutally honest, but actually generally nice. Edit: I should point out that we were in Google NYC, as were the researchers. We had lunch with them some times. I remember the first name and face of the guy who submitted the slow code, but forget h…

> New Yorker to New Yorker adds a lot of context. Google's corporate culture is generally very Californian As a lifelong Californian who moved to NY, this makes sense. Though I don't know if it's a blanket excuse... There's a reason that my friends at Goldman would agree that Google's culture is better, and a lot of it has to do with the difference between CA and NY culture. I completely dismiss the claims that the d…

I grew up in the upper Midwest, went to school outside Boston, and spent most of my adult life in New York and Hong Kong. I haven't spent much time in California, so maybe I'm placing too many of the cultural problems I saw at Google at the foot of Californian culture. I saw lots of pressure to "be Googly", which seemed to result in a lot of passive-aggression. That matches the stereotypes I've heard of LA and SF cultures.

New York and Hong Kong are both very impatient places that don't suffer fools lightly. They're both brutally honest places, but with strong shared identities. Both places have lots of people from elsewhere who are sympathetic to being new to the city.

The quintessential New York story is the woman pushing a stroller (buggy, for my overseas friends) out of a subway car. A man in a hurry is passing her, looks over his shoulder, they make eye contact and silently agree he should help. He grabs the front of the stroller, they carry it up the stairs, and he sets the stroller down at the top of the stairs. They give each other a nod, and he runs off. Never a word is spoken. On the other hand, if you stop in the middle of the sidewalk to read a map or talk on the phone in New York, don't be surprised if people bump into you, perhaps on purpose.

I just left Goldman after more than a decade. I actually really preferred the corporate culture to the Google culture, but most of my time was in Hong Kong. I even knew a couple of people who worked at Goldman, went to Google, and came back to Goldman. I don't doubt that there are some assholes there, particularly in trading, but my experience in both Strats and Technology was overwhelmingly positive. In my experience, abusive MDs didn't last long, but maybe I was very lucky. If you're having a tough time, I don't want to give out full names, but some pretty unique names: Laurent, Jia, Dunstan, and C.K. all really seem to care for their folks. The heads of SRE, One Delta Strats, and Flow Strats in Hong Kong also seem to be really great managers, but Grahaeme, Nick, and Alain are pretty common names.

At Google, a friend of mine managed a couple of small teams (on a shoestring budget, using mostly interns) and completed a couple of projects ahead of time, only to get them cancelled by middle management right before launch. One of the projects even had heavy buy-in from upper management, but he got essentially zero credit for either one because they were cancelled before launching. It was incredibly frustrating for him and he left. In my experience, Goldman runs projects much better, particularly using "Projito" internal contracts that list the value proposition, deliverables, timetable, and whose budget is paying for it.

Also, despite Goldman's reputation, I saw a lot less arrogance at Goldman than at Google. Goldman has a much more healthy respect for its competitors, though with good reason. I've also seen a few people transition from Google to Goldman and take a bit of time to adjust to the idea that Google's way of doing things is best in Goldman's operating environment. At Google, I got the sense that lots of people thought that Google was better than its competitors because they were smarter. At Goldman, I got the sense that lots of people felt they were better than their competitors because they had higher expectations of themselves.

Re: Including “And. And. And. And. And.” in a Google doc causes it to crash

#254

Discovered by Eliza Callahan triggered by a poem in the middle of her novel. (Friend of a coworker) That poem can be found here: https://durationandthebodyelizacallahan.cargo.site/ - if viewing on mobile you have to Request Desktop Site for some reason, at least on Android it initially shows up as a Lorem Ipsum page

it appears to be bugs all the way down

Re: Including “And. And. And. And. And.” in a Google doc causes it to crash

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post #114

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Rewritten for clarity (and because I now actually know what's happening): If you look at the XML (change .docx to .zip) in styles.xml you see the declaration of the style "BodyText3": The first line ("paragraph") has its style set to "BodyText3", but also has formatting on that section of text itself, overriding it. Once the lines are joined into one paragraph, the paragraph formatting appears in the second part beca…

Steps to reproduce: 1. Create a Word document (most likely using the Blank document template, Normal.dotm) 2. Type text of first line; press Enter; type text of second line (technically Word calls these 'paragraphs'--Shift+Enter inserts a newline within the same paragraph) 3. Place cursor on first paragraph 4. Click a Paragraph Style from the Styles ribbon section to apply it (e.g., the second one, No Spacing) 5. Rig…

Just noticed that with this method, the backspace joins the two lines, whereas in the original it reveals the markup, but the newline between the lines remains.

Re: Including “And. And. And. And. And.” in a Google doc causes it to crash

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Took me right back one of many detentions I served at school, when Mr B Swales set us the challenge of finding a grammatically correct English sentence with five ands in a row. The answer was as follows: The landlord of the "Dog and Partridge" pub commissioned a signwriter to letter a new board outside. On looking at the work, the landlord declared that he liked the colour but would prefer more spacing between Dog an…

It's easy enough to use a single "and" in a sentence, but "and and" and "and and and" and so on are more difficult

Clearly you've never taught intro boolean logic.

Try saying "a Nand and an And" in a way that your students can understand you.

Re: Including “And. And. And. And. And.” in a Google doc causes it to crash

#257

Discovered by Eliza Callahan triggered by a poem in the middle of her novel. (Friend of a coworker) That poem can be found here: https://durationandthebodyelizacallahan.cargo.site/ - if viewing on mobile you have to Request Desktop Site for some reason, at least on Android it initially shows up as a Lorem Ipsum page

On iPhone Chrome it doesn’t show up either way.

Re: Including “And. And. And. And. And.” in a Google doc causes it to crash

#258

Took me right back one of many detentions I served at school, when Mr B Swales set us the challenge of finding a grammatically correct English sentence with five ands in a row. The answer was as follows: The landlord of the "Dog and Partridge" pub commissioned a signwriter to letter a new board outside. On looking at the work, the landlord declared that he liked the colour but would prefer more spacing between Dog an…

I would love to know what other tasks Mr B Swales had in his detention assignment rotation!

Re: Including “And. And. And. And. And.” in a Google doc causes it to crash

#259

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I'm sure you're great. Nothing against you, but please don't do that. Just write what you mean if you can't handle some people misinterpreting a sarcastic remark. Let's think about this for a second. What's the point of sarcasm? If you have to tell people you're being sarcastic, are you still being sarcastic? Not sure what territory, "/s" blunders into, but I'm confident it's not sarcasm. It's something else that see…

Indicating sarcasm is not necessarily ruining it though. Look at IRL sarcasm, it will generally be accompanied with the right tone of voice and expression / body language that make its presence unequivocal. That doesn’t necessarily ruin it

Written works have had sarcasm, irony, and related forms of wit for as long as they've existed. While people might miss the mark, it doesn't mean we should just give it up as impossible just because we're now writing comments online.

And it probably says more about me than the writer, but I always cringe when I see /s since it seems to be implying "Hey, in case you're a bit slow, this is sarcasm. Glad to help."

Sarcasm is by definition kind of elitist. You get it, and you're in the cool group, or you don't and you go on your way. It's a puzzle to solve. Removing all uncertainty removes its fundamental essence.

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