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What does “shitty job” mean in the low-skill, low-pay world?

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Re: What does “shitty job” mean in the low-skill, low-pay world?

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Post by throwawayHN378 »

pc86 wrote: post #163
rnikander wrote: post #124

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So rent a room and/or don’t live in the best part of the city. That’s what I did near Boston a few years ago. My rent was well under $1000. Do people think they’re entitled to private apartments in the most expensive cities in the world?

> Do people think they’re entitled to private apartments in the most expensive cities in the world? Yes, they do. Read any thread on a vaguely left-leaning subreddit that even starts approaching discussions of renting, or landlords, or landlord-tenant relations, and you'll get flooded with comments so detached from reality it will stun you.

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Re: What does “shitty job” mean in the low-skill, low-pay world?

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Post by crate_barre »

JaimeThompson wrote: post #178
foogazi wrote: post #162

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> because such options aren't available to everyone So ? If it’s aplicable to you take it if not seek better advice I love the universal advice police - everything has to be available to everyone or else it’s useless

Serious question, why didn't you apply that reasoning to what you posted? A lot, probably the vast majority, of users on this site that actively post have had little if any direct experience with what it is like to actually be extremely poor in the United States.

I would urge you to reconsider the group you are talking to. Many many tech people come from immigrants families that were not born into any kind of wealth at all.

Re: What does “shitty job” mean in the low-skill, low-pay world?

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Post by lazide »

maxerickson wrote: post #235
kanwisher wrote: post #140

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When I was mid 20s, I was making six figures in tech and had to share an apartment. I can't see why minimum wage workers wouldn't also

I mean, it happens, but there's room to discuss whether it is a fact of the universe or partly an outcome of chosen policies.

What percentage of the world (or even western society) do people immediately move out of their parents homes into their own individual apartments that are nice and close to work?

What percentage work into it?

What percentage is it laughably out of touch for anyone and everyone who isn't top 1% of anything?

That is what folks mean with the unrealistic luxury part.

Re: What does “shitty job” mean in the low-skill, low-pay world?

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Post by lisper »

giantg2 wrote: post #186
sandworm101 wrote: post #152

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>> our rights were violated as part of a citation. >> unless there was substantial monetary damages I take it that this was not a criminal prosecution that might result in actual jail time. Was it a minor traffic offense? Part of the "thick skin" i mentioned above is a pragmatism re the "rights" of individuals in minor cases. Highschool teaches us that every trial is the same, that beyond-reasonable-doubt, perjury an…

"I take it that this was not a criminal prosecution that might result in actual jail time." Criminal summary offense (dog off leash) which carries the possibility of up to 90 days in jail. Instead of charging the off leash offense, they wrote the charge for a dangerous dog. This incorrect charge carried with it pretrial restrictions only found under that charge (dog could not leave our property, etc). "Part of the "t…

I've had first-hand experience with this but in the opposite direction. Had a cop cut me a break on a ticket and charge me with a lesser offense than the one I actually committed. When I went to pay the fine (this was a long time ago, before the internet) I was told the ticket hadn't been filed and so there was no fine to pay.

Fast forward a year and I get a court summons for this ticket. At this point I'm annoyed enough to fight it so I take it to trial. I argue that because a year has gone by, my Constitutional right to a speedy trial has been violated. This actually makes the judge (actually a "magistrate" -- still not sure what the difference is) look something up in a book before denying my motion with no explanation. Then the cop blatantly lies on the stand and says that he saw something that he could not possibly have seen. I have photographic evidence that proves that he could not possibly have seen what he claims to have seen. He is clearly lying to fulfill the statutory requirement for finding me guilty of this offense. Then the magistrate asks me point-blank if I was guilty. I take the fifth. Magistrate proclaims "the court will be finding you guilty". I pay the fine, enroll in traffic school, and proceed with my privileged-rich-white-guy life.

It's a pretty fucked up system even when you are on the non-shitty end of the stick.

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

ip26 wrote: post #133
hamiltonians wrote: post #95

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this is why i think teen summer jobs squander potential. young adults should be learning skills instead of doing shitty jobs, although someone has to do that work.

Summer jobs do teach skills. Customer service, working in a team, working independently... you take those things for granted, but a fourteen year old is not usually born with these things.

Those jobs also aren't effective teachers of skills. Some exceptionally engaged employees will pick them up. Most of the rest will pick up the attitude that it doesn't matter if you get fired from one jobby job because you can get hired to do the same thing across the street and then take your original job back once you're fired from the other place and your current manager has left for better opportunities. A strong concern for long-term professional reputation is for white-collar work and independent tradesmen.

Re: What does “shitty job” mean in the low-skill, low-pay world?

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Post by throwawayHN378 »

User23 wrote: post #7
sandworm101 wrote: post #2

>> A meatgrinder job is a job that pays more not because there are fewer people who can do it, but because there are fewer people that will. They have insanely high turnover, because some aspect of the job is so bad that the vast majority of people who try it don’t stay. Maybe it’s long hours that never stop or maybe it’s constant on-call work. Maybe it’s an insane, stress-intensive workload you can’t begin to keep u…

> Pediatric oncology. That job must be nightmarish for anyone who isn’t a full-blown sociopath. I’m not a particularly empathetic person and I couldn’t start that job let alone stay in it for years. Edit: > One of the attractions of pediatrics is, surprisingly enough… This is the opposite of surprising. I imagine one of the appeals of pediatrics is significantly fewer of your patients die. That’s why pediatric oncolo…

Pretty bold statement to claim most pediatric oncologists are sociopaths. You took a big shit on some of the admirable people in our society

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Post by t-3 »

chefandy wrote: post #249
t-3 wrote: post #138

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Amazon is good job though. A shitty job would pay $10 an hour, lack the benefits, and still just get rid of you on a whim. Also, multiply by .8 to get the takehome pay - $15/hr isn't netting 40k without overtime.

The existence of worse doesn't make something good .

Amazon is a desirable and good job in the low-skill, low-wage world. The only people who think otherwise are rich 6-figure making degree holders.

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Post by peterhalburt33 »

dumpsterlid wrote: post #153
unapproved4lyfe wrote: post #67

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You stated it in terms of social privilege ("jumped right from their undergraduate career to making a six-figure salary in a city...") but it's just as well intellectual privilege. I have a blue collar background and high school criminal career that looks like any poor person buying $20 scratchers, but after four years working in software I was a 22 year-old making six figures also. It makes it harder to feel sympath…

"It makes it harder to feel sympathy for those struggling: Indeed, repeatedly making wrong decisions has poor outcomes. At 18 it was pretty obvious that in the most basic sense, code = money." It's not the poverty that makes it hard to relate, it's that they seem to almost live by instinct and emotion. I wish them well but don't know what's wrong in their heads or have the slightest idea of how to durably improve the…

Exactly.

As someone who has been privileged to be naturally inclined towards the more lucrative parts of STEM, I still don’t want to see a society which rewards people like me in a vastly outsized way, while being indifferent or punitive to others whose interests or abilities or life experiences landed them outside a handful of in-demand professions. It’s very easy to attribute success to the choices we make, but so much of it is out of our control (where we live, what our society values, what advantages and disadvantages we inherit).

Re: What does “shitty job” mean in the low-skill, low-pay world?

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Post by sandworm101 »

lisper wrote: post #254
giantg2 wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I take it that this was not a criminal prosecution that might result in actual jail time." Criminal summary offense (dog off leash) which carries the possibility of up to 90 days in jail. Instead of charging the off leash offense, they wrote the charge for a dangerous dog. This incorrect charge carried with it pretrial restrictions only found under that charge (dog could not leave our property, etc). "Part of the "t…

I've had first-hand experience with this but in the opposite direction. Had a cop cut me a break on a ticket and charge me with a lesser offense than the one I actually committed. When I went to pay the fine (this was a long time ago, before the internet) I was told the ticket hadn't been filed and so there was no fine to pay. Fast forward a year and I get a court summons for this ticket. At this point I'm annoyed en…

>> Then the magistrate asks me point-blank if I was guilty. I take the fifth.

That's not the fifth. Pleading not guilty isn't considered a statement or an admission of anything. Nor can it be held against you in any way. We don't double down by charging every guilty party with "perjury" because they lost. That was done away with centuries ago.

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Post by crate_barre »

JaimeThompson wrote: post #47
crate_barre wrote: post #17

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Your guess is wrong then. I’m more of a person that has been at the upside and downside of things. I know what it’s like to just need the paycheck. But I never looked at it like that, it was mostly a paycheck to create the opportunity via stability to evolve another path. In that case, holistically, that dead-end job had a purpose for creating financial groundwork (once upon a time for me it was literally to buy some…

You not being able to pay for hosting is a bit difference in scope then not bring able to feed yourself the correct number of calories for multiple days at a time.

A VPS is $5 bucks. I described $5 like an investment. If $5 is as my investment into my future, what was the price of my food? Not exactly Doordash or Extra Value Meals at McDonald’s every night.

Inference.

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