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DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its Search Results

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There is no political will in the US to change the copyright system. Aside from some technologists, I haven't seen anybody who actually wants that. You will anger basically everyone else in the information business. Writers, researchers, artists, architects, musicians, composers, filmmakers, actors, podcasters, even a lot of software developers, you name it. These people all depend on copyright enforcement to get pai…

Fully agree. "collateral damage" just means...why can't I just consume everything for free, as if it's some human right?

The point is not "consuming things for free", the point is neutering "the Biz".

I for one wouldn't mind to lose Hollywood as an industry, or Broadway, or Silicon Valley...

All of these industries are way too big and over-influential in all aspects of our lives, and leave us without any chance of a more human-scale alternative to counteract.

I mean, how many TV networks are owned by Disney? Do you really think that all that lobbying is just to keep people away from watching copies of Mickey's Fantasia?

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Here's my take: Duckduckgo could easily be fully owned and operated by some three letter agency. The NSA is already able to go onsite and tap into the data that passes through corporations and they've been doing exactly that for decades (see Room 641A) and they can force corporations to keep silent about it using national security letters. You should already assume that every US based company is sending every scrap o…

or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Panopticon

How I stopped loving panoticon and ended up marrying it.

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Ok I'll set it up sometime soon and give it a try. Thanks.

It's officially deprecated, but it still works. https://github.com/gorhill/uMatrix

Any alternative to uMatrix?

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So where does one from here for everyday search? Google is out. Bing has many of the same problems as Google. Startpage blocks my VPN. Brave has always felt just a little "off" to me, but maybe they're worth a try. Any others I've missed that are worth looking into?

I found Kagi[0] from somewhere on HN -- they make pretty strong privacy claims, and are in a closed Beta stage right now (you can give them your email, and they'll send you a signup link within a week or two). They're planning to charge a fixed rate for their search engine once they're out of beta later this year. So far, it seems to be working really well for me! Results are pretty excellent, and they support the DD…

$10 per month (last heard), if they plan to start charing.

Re: DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its Search Results

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post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no political will in the US to change the copyright system. Aside from some technologists, I haven't seen anybody who actually wants that. You will anger basically everyone else in the information business. Writers, researchers, artists, architects, musicians, composers, filmmakers, actors, podcasters, even a lot of software developers, you name it. These people all depend on copyright enforcement to get pai…

Fully agree. "collateral damage" just means...why can't I just consume everything for free, as if it's some human right?

Why do these corporations get to have functionally infinte state granted monopolies on trivially infinitely copyable data as if it's some basic right?

Re: DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its Search Results

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Here's my take: Duckduckgo could easily be fully owned and operated by some three letter agency. The NSA is already able to go onsite and tap into the data that passes through corporations and they've been doing exactly that for decades (see Room 641A) and they can force corporations to keep silent about it using national security letters. You should already assume that every US based company is sending every scrap o…

> The worst case scenario would be that Duckduckgo is actually secretly run by Google and the data being collecting from the service is being used to help fill your dossier at Google but if that's the case we're never going to know about it until a whistleblower comes forward. The problem with this (and most other conspiratorial thinking) is that of course a whistleblower is going to come forward. Are you thinking th…

> Are you thinking that every employee of DuckDuckGo that knows this (and many would have to), is paid so highly as to just be quiet?

I'm not thinking that DDG is secretly being run by Google at all, but I'm forced to admit that there's nothing stopping Google from doing it, that they have the money and resources to do it, and that it would benefit them to do it, so however remote, it is a possibility that should be considered right along side the possibility that duckduckgo is exactly what they say they are and nothing more. We have no evidence of either being true after all and can only speculate. If we're asking ourselves that the risks of using DDG are, we have to at least consider what the worst case scenarios might be.

So while I consider the possibility that DDG is being run by google to be possible, but highly unlikely, just as a thought experiment, why would anyone but a very small number of Google employees working at DDG need to know it was run by google and sending data back home? Any other DDG employees don't need to be told. If google employees ran the servers, DDG employees would be free to work on the front end and day to day stuff entirely unaware.

> The problem with this (and most other conspiratorial thinking) is that of course a whistleblower is going to come forward.

This is not a guarantee at all. Edward Snowden came forward, but only after many many years and not one of his co-workers in the same role did. DuPont knowingly poisoned people for decades and not a single whistleblower ever came forward. Johnson & Johnson knew that their product (which we were covering infants with) caused cancer but there was no whistleblower to break the story to the public.

Over and over and over again we only learn about horrific acts committed against the public by corporations after decades of gathering scientific data and court actions specifically because people were "paid so highly as to just be quiet". It's a fact that whistleblowers are the rare exception and not the rule.

The idea that companies are so afraid of whistleblowers or their reputation that they wouldn't do evil things is demonstrably false as we've seen example after example of companies who knowingly put profit over human life time and time again and even when there were whistleblowers the companies often faced zero meaningful consequences beyond paying back a small percentage of the profits they made while building a body count.

Whistleblowers are awesome, and they remain a very import check against bad actors, but do not count on them always being there to save you and don't expect that fear of them will prevent a company from committing acts far far worse than logging your internet searches.

Re: DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its Search Results

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It's amazing how much collateral damage is caused by our horrible copyright laws. Mostly just so the MPA/RIAA can protect their roles as gatekeepers of what we're allowed to see and hear. They can put enormous pressure on even the wealthiest and most powerful companies to act as copyright police on their behalf. Even Google is afraid of them. ISPs are forced to spend huge amounts of time and money working for them. N…

There is no political will in the US to change the copyright system. Aside from some technologists, I haven't seen anybody who actually wants that. You will anger basically everyone else in the information business. Writers, researchers, artists, architects, musicians, composers, filmmakers, actors, podcasters, even a lot of software developers, you name it. These people all depend on copyright enforcement to get pai…

> You have to play ball with them or they will simply not be able to produce those things anymore.

You say that like it's a bad thing. I wish it was that easy to get them to stop producing all that crap, but it seems that the easier it gets to pirate things, the more cultural garbage they produce.

Re: DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its Search Results

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Here's my take: Duckduckgo could easily be fully owned and operated by some three letter agency. The NSA is already able to go onsite and tap into the data that passes through corporations and they've been doing exactly that for decades (see Room 641A) and they can force corporations to keep silent about it using national security letters. You should already assume that every US based company is sending every scrap o…

I love conspiracy theories!

They can be fun, but I wish we had actual oversight and regulations to protect us so that we didn't have to think about what kinds of shadowy things companies might be doing with our data.

If someone is worried about DDG, I can't blame them. They have every reason to worry, because we have no protections. Personally, while I sadly can't discount the possibility, I'm pretty sure DDG isn't run by google or the NSA, and they've been my search engine of choice for a very long time.

Re: DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its Search Results

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What about archive.org? Will they delist that too? That definitely contains a lot of copyright-infringing data. Where will this end? Pirate Bay actually contains a lot of non-infringing items too. Who watches the watchers?

You can literally get Windows keys on archive.org, not that I use Windows anyways

Re: DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its Search Results

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or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Panopticon

How I stopped loving panoticon and ended up marrying it.

Love it or hate it, the Panopticon is here and we're stuck under it's watchful eye until laws and regulations catch up. In the meantime, just do your best to protect your privacy. DDG has been my search engine for many many years. I recommend it. I still can't fault anyone who questions how much we can trust them. Simply put, right now we can't. I still need to search the internet though.
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