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Re: Twitter is using its embedded JavaScript to hide tweets that have been deleted

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Post by fphhotchips » Sat, Apr 09, 2022, 12:13 AM UTC

LadyCailin wrote: post #250

fphhotchips wrote: post #244

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> Certainly I have some level of expectation that if I delete something, it may very well actually be gone, right? Really? For me this is like saying that just because you stop actively publishing a book, people can never quote it again. That's clearly not true, right? Edit: or because I didn't distribute recordings of a speech I made, newspapers can't quote me

But I am not, nor do I aspire to be, a public figure. For notable people, and most certainly politicians, I might tend to agree with you, but not for the general case.

People who aren't public figures get quoted in print all the time. The only way to not be quoted is to never say anything.

Re: Twitter is using its embedded JavaScript to hide tweets that have been deleted

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Post by dotancohen » Sun, Apr 10, 2022, 10:12 AM UTC

Jcowell wrote: post #209

dotancohen wrote: post #13

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The privacy tradeoff is not Twitter's to make. The content was copied - while still available - and placed on another website. Twitter's responsibility is to serve or not serve content. If it cannot serve the content requested, for instance because that content was deleted, then they should not continue to alter the non-Twitter webpage. Of course, the real problem is that the site administrator is allowing Twitter to…

Say if someone envokes a right to be forgotten on Twitter and it complies by deleting all tweets by said person (I’m imagining this is how it works) is it twitters responsibility or the website that embedded twitter’s tweet to ensure that it’s deleted? In my mind it’s Twitter since it comes from them no ?

I disagree with your assertion, though I recognize that it is one interpretation of responsibility.

Re: Twitter is using its embedded JavaScript to hide tweets that have been deleted

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Post by nobodyandproud » Mon, Apr 11, 2022, 1:59 AM UTC

newswasboring wrote: post #192

nobodyandproud wrote: post #186

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I feel like two groups are talking over each other. One is saying Twitter shouldn’t have done this and should be called out for breaking a promise. The other group mostly agrees, but is pointing out that problem was giving Twitter so much control over one’s own content in the first place. I agree with this: Banking on what’s nothing more than a handshake is a bad call. Having to go to the court of public opinion is l…

> I agree with this: Banking on what’s nothing more than a handshake is a bad call. But shouldn't we be striving for a world where it isn't a bad call? Reputation used to mean something, I have read about it in old books. That was back when choice was a thing. Digg got destroyed in a matter of weeks because they did something users didn't like. Now Facebook is openly contributing to destroying democracy and all they…

> But shouldn't we be striving for a world where it isn't a bad call? Reputation used to mean something,

Reputation isn’t proof. It also carries no context.

If the service is very meaningful to you, then why wouldn’t you want a legal contract?

> I don't know what your intent was, but you come off as defending twitter on this as there was no written contract. While everyone is equal under codified law, we shouldn't forget some people have more influence than others over what gets codified.

Case and point of reputation. You assume I’m defending Twitter, because you can’t imagine that I can agree that it’s a scummy move while also pointing out that it’s bad practice to rely on a company’s word.

As for my intent?

I’m annoyed, dealing with like-minded individuals and engineers.

Having to teach engineers that coding and behavioral contracts get broken, and so code must be written defensively; in a world where pushing out features and adoption is “impact” is quite the uphill battle.

It just took a couple of decades for businesses to realize that “free” has some severe hidden costs.

And appealing on social media hoping to get attention, in a world where there’s too much information and noise?

I’m flabbergasted.

Re: Twitter is using its embedded JavaScript to hide tweets that have been deleted

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Post by sacrosancty » Mon, Apr 11, 2022, 8:21 PM UTC

causi wrote: post #168

sacrosancty wrote: post #31

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I think this is a little unexpected though since "you" are still hosting the text of the tweet on your site and publishing it to your visitors but also with a Twitter script that hides it.

Doesn't that mean it should be pretty easy to automate converting all your "deleted" embedded Tweets to a local rendering, albeit without the integration back to Twitter?

Probably, but hardly anyone will do that. It's not lost for good, just inconvenienced away.