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One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by blaser-waffle »

ec109685 wrote: post #195
dcchambers wrote: post #185

This is a great visual and concrete example of how easily a narrative can be controlled. This is but one example of a larger systemic issue with media in the 21st century, and an issue with how people consume that media. Virtually every platform is like this, not just TikTok. It's not like TikTok tries to present itself as a neutral, unbiased source. Their whole premise is delivering "highly curated" content to you a…

This where sanctions could be used. TikTok is profiting by keeping this neutered version up in Russia, so US government could prohibit making money in US until they take it down in Russia.

Tik Tok is Chinese -- and was raged against by Trump for that reason -- and would constitute picking a fight with the CCP. That's a big ole can of worms to open up while running other big-deal sanctions and playing the brinkmanship game with Russia.

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by elliekelly »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #13
sdfhbdf wrote: post #4

This article is well made and uncovers very interesting thing. I love how it was technically put together, browsing it on mobile was a great experience, chapeaux bas, i love how great new formats are available to publishers in the digital era outside of serving autoplaying ads. On thing that caught my attention was the supposed USCentric approach since it counted a distance in miles. I also wonder whether it was tran…

Wait, do you really think residents of a city 80 km away, one that they used to commute to for groceries and stuff, get their news from Tik Tok ? How out of touch are you? For God's sake, they can practically see Kharkiv out of their window!

I think TikTok is the primary news “source” for an alarming number of people.

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by Mordisquitos »

qiskit wrote: post #249
KarlKemp wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s the sort of cynicism RT want you to adopt, yes.

My opinion of the BBC was formed long before RT even existed. One is a government funded state propagandist. The other is RT. RT emulates BBC as do a lot of state propagandists around the world. All RT and other state propagandists like CGTN, al jazeera, etc does is copy the BBC. It's because the BBC is the best at propaganda. It sets the bar that other state propagandists aspire to. It isn't by accident George Orwel…

> My opinion of the BBC was formed long before RT even existed. One is a government funded state propagandist. The other is RT.

I'm surprised that, having held such a strong opinion about the BBC for such a long time, you are still able to immediately make a factually incorrect statement regarding such common knowledge as where its funding comes from.

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by qiskit »

Mordisquitos wrote: post #254
qiskit wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My opinion of the BBC was formed long before RT even existed. One is a government funded state propagandist. The other is RT. RT emulates BBC as do a lot of state propagandists around the world. All RT and other state propagandists like CGTN, al jazeera, etc does is copy the BBC. It's because the BBC is the best at propaganda. It sets the bar that other state propagandists aspire to. It isn't by accident George Orwel…

> My opinion of the BBC was formed long before RT even existed. One is a government funded state propagandist. The other is RT. I'm surprised that, having held such a strong opinion about the BBC for such a long time, you are still able to immediately make a factually incorrect statement regarding such common knowledge as where its funding comes from.

RT's funding doesn't come from the government?

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by pydry »

KarlKemp wrote: post #214
qiskit wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> NRK is Norway’s equivalent to the BBC. Which is britain's equivalent to RT?

That’s the sort of cynicism RT want you to adopt, yes.

RT didnt fire the director general for not towing the line on Iraqs WMDs.

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by creato »

pphysch wrote: post #163
philliphaydon wrote: post #11

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I don't find it surprising at all. It's basically a propaganda platform. Can't decide if its worse than Twitter or not.

Does TikTok mark Washington's enemies with big "X-state affiliated media" warnings while omitting them for American-state affiliated media?

I can’t speak for twitter, but every American publicly funded news organization I know of has that label on YouTube (PBS for one)

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by sangnoir »

latchkey wrote: post #199
dcchambers wrote: post #185

This is a great visual and concrete example of how easily a narrative can be controlled. This is but one example of a larger systemic issue with media in the 21st century, and an issue with how people consume that media. Virtually every platform is like this, not just TikTok. It's not like TikTok tries to present itself as a neutral, unbiased source. Their whole premise is delivering "highly curated" content to you a…

Speaking of controlled narratives, I'd like to see the source code to their bots so that this experiment can be reproduced. I'm not saying that they didn't just make up the article, but how do we know? How do we know their bots didn't have bugs in them that pushed the results in favor of the tone of the article?

> I'd like to see the source code to their bots so that this experiment can be reproduced.

You don't need the bots source code to reproduce the experiment, just as you wouldn't ask to borrow/inspect a biochemist's beakers to reproduce their experiment.You simply follow the same steps they did and see if you observe the same results.

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by yywwbbn »

d0mine wrote: post #231
yywwbbn wrote: post #212

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What would the alternative be if US banned all independent media sources (like Russia did)?

unrelated: could you name one just one US media source that you consider to be independent (with an anti-war article where US is perpetrator).

Comedy Central. Technically not an article, but Jon Stewart (also technically not a journalist, but imho he was better at being one than actual journalists) was pretty open about opposing the Iraq war. I assume in Russia he’d already be serving his 15+ year sentence?

Yes the US has problems. But Russia is just on another level considering that being a free and independent media source is literally illegal there.

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by kasey_junk »

d0mine wrote: post #231
yywwbbn wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would the alternative be if US banned all independent media sources (like Russia did)?

unrelated: could you name one just one US media source that you consider to be independent (with an anti-war article where US is perpetrator).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight_Ridder

Famously debunked the justifications for the Iraq war at the time they were being spread.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/18/sergei-lavrov-...

The Russians view Fox News as a balanced news source.

Walter Kronkite, perhaps the most famous TV anchor in US history was publicly against the Vietnam war https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Cronkite

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