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What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by brimble »

RedShift1 wrote: post #227
cmeacham98 wrote: post #163

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I really want to like Fedora - it gets so much right. But: `yum` is the worst package manager I have ever used on linux by far, and that sours the whole experience. I wish I could get "Fedora with pacman/apt instead".

Why is it the worst package manager?

I haven't used it since ~2005, but at that time it was inexcusably slow. Notably, remarkably, shockingly slow. I would dread invoking it, it was so slow. 10x the time to do many operations, as apt/dpkg, and that's not an exaggeration.

I assume that got better, though. I hope it did.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by jthrowsitaway »

npteljes wrote: post #91
AussieWog93 wrote: post #11

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Nope, instead you have to apply guesswork to figure out why an apt-get call accidentally uninstalled your desktop environment. :P

I'll take that every day. Because it's not like proprietary doesn't fuck itself up. For an anecdote, I had a laptop with Win8 preinstalled, and Update just wasn't working one day. The solution? Scouring the internet to find a Microsoft executable that fixed update. How? We'll never know. Because we're not meant to.

Ah yes, gotta love the mystery .exe "fixers" that are sometimes associated with KB articles.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by [deleted] »

gotaquestion wrote: post #148
koprulusector wrote: post #93

>Over the last year or so Mac users have run into problems that appear related to a background service named triald. Some report it stealing huge amounts of CPU, others associate it with various glitches, and a few have noticed gigabytes of disk space apparently being taken up by its folder at ~/Library/Trial, and in their Time Machine backups. This article explains as much as I know about this mysterious new service…

> It’s your machine, but the inner workings are this ineffable mystery. At some point, every machine's software becomes an ineffable mystery. Do you know what is going on in all your 3rd-party Linux drivers, say, from NVIDIA?

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Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by brimble »

c22 wrote: post #218
cafed00d wrote: post #190

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> - Apple can double speak all they want about digital privacy, but their actions tell the truth. As a paying Apple customer, you’re not deemed worthy enough to even understand how your own machines work, less even to “tamper” with their working, and who knows what data is actually being shared? > - Personally, I say no thank you. I’ve been on Debian or a variant for almost 10 years now, and haven’t looked back. It’s…

I've been using "linux on the desktop" exclusively for the last two decades and it's always curious to me when people complain about having to be a techno wizard to operate it because for at least the last 10 years I've pretty much had to configure nothing and everything from fancy displays to networked printers has worked without a hitch. I can honestly say that I'm not even sure where I would look to configure or t…

My trajectory was ~2000-2011 as a heavy Linux-on-the-desktop user (and Windows, for gaming), but quickly converted to Mac when was issued one at work after that, and that's where I've stayed ever since. I didn't even realize how much time I was wasting and how used I'd gotten to working around shitty, broken stuff, mostly by just avoiding doing things. Once I saw what life was like on the other side, it was a no-brainer to switch.

I try Linux again every couple years, and have every time been quickly reminded why I stopped using it (on the desktop, anyway).

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by gotaquestion »

mst wrote: post #247
gotaquestion wrote: post #238

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I don't think I meant that, although it might sound like it. I think you're accusing me of the fallacy of all or nothing, but to me the original argument sounds like an obsession with purity, but clearly one line isn't enough to explain that. The replies to my original post seem to me to be arguing for 100% transparency from the keyboard to the atoms on the finfets. I don't think I'm strawmanning that (maybe hyperbol…

Everything is about trade-offs. Since I can't meaningfully audit kernel level stuff anyway (not my area) I mostly care whether it works for me (or for the production purpose the customer needs or etc.) and that's not an ideal world but I choose to prioritise open source userspace contributions and running code. I also run windows 10 on a Thinkpad Helix 2 for my personal machine - with WSL to provide me an X11 environ…

It certainly is. I have Ubuntu 20.04 running on a Multiboot Yoga, an old Dell, and a MacBook Pro 2013 (because this is the only OS that will boot). I use both the default Gnome desktop, and sometimes switch to FVWM2 or MWM (mostly on VNC because I hate all the bells-and-whistles on Gnome).

I hate using Linux on the actual laptop. The touchpad is always a trainwreck. Sensitivity and scroll speed/acceleration is infuriating (too much Xorg config hassle). Trying to get "middle click" working -always- has issues. Power buttons never work properly, same with LidClose actions (i've read many knowledge bases and stackoverflow posts, none seem to work for my particular hardware, as is always the case). It is frustrating as hell to get it to act like a well-behaved "normal" laptop. Don't get me started on suspend/hibernate issues, or the flaky bluetooth drivers that always need system ctl restart command line help.

Now that I've made the tradeoff to not use Linux as anything but a remote server via VNC, my choices are Windows or Mac for a primary computer. I don't like ads showing up in start menu, or idiotic MFA and login requirements, so I'm left with Mac.

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Post by brimble »

rglullis wrote: post #228
duckmysick wrote: post #219

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How do you deal with laptops that have both an integrated and an Nvidia graphic card? I can't find a reliable way of having the dedicated card on for just some applications on Linux. It's either always on or always off, which is not as convenient or useful as the on-demand mode available on Windows.

> How do you deal with laptops that have both an integrated and an Nvidia graphic card? Honestly, I don't. I think all my laptops had only iGPUs. I always treated my laptops as secondary workstations for the times I was away from my main desktop.

It's been my observation over many years that Nvidia and ATI/AMD video cards are the source of a solid 50% of major computer problems. This seems to hold even for Macs. They're best avoided unless you really need them, at least for machines you plan to do non-GPU-related work on.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by brimble »

rglullis wrote: post #145
rrdharan wrote: post #140

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1. The marshmallow test has been debunked (just like so many other flashy claims in the social sciences field, the science is questionable and the replication crisis is very real). So using it in a rant about how uninformed people are is itself a laughable irony. 2. Many of us simply do not agree that the use of an Apple computing device impinges on either our privacy or basic freedoms, or (more nuanced) that the mar…

1. It doesn't matter if the effects of the marshmallow test are true or not. The idea is just to illustrate how tech people are as weak-willed, short-term focused and plain "convenience-at-all-costs" as the general consumers. 2. There is no argument here: if you can not control what and how your device operates, your freedom is being taken. You can argue that you don't value this freedom over the convenience it bring…

> 2. There is no argument here: if you can not control what and how your device operates, your freedom is being taken. You can argue that you don't value this freedom over the convenience it brings you, but this is at best an admission of you being on (1).

To illustrate something by exaggerating (one of) the numbers to make it crystal clear what I'm getting at:

A Mac that I don't fully control but has 12 hour battery life feels more free in practice than a fully-open platform with a 1-hour battery life. The latter leaves me less able to use the device for things I want to, and takes up more of my time hunting for wall outlets or just having a dead machine when I need one that's working. Time spent keeping my devices working does not feel like freedom, since I could have used that time for other things.

There's hypothetical freedom to do stuff I don't really care to do (audit or fiddle with my OS), then there's the actual range of liberty-of-action for stuff that I do care to do. Personally, I tend to favor the latter, strongly. The former's just a nice-to-have.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by rglullis »

mlyle wrote: post #239
rglullis wrote: post #232

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> My use of MacOS is not likely to make a big difference in the adoption of MacOS, and therefore ascribing all of the massive network effect of usage to me. It's not all to you. But you are contributing to it, and you shouldn't be excusing yourself on the basis of "look at everyone else doing it". > I'm pretty sure that I've done way more to make open systems possible on the desktop than you. This is not a competitio…

> But at least I am willing to call a failing as such. I think there's room in the world for closed offerings and open offerings, and that they each have their own advantages and contributions to the world (and their own risks). > The first step to redemption is to accept your own faults. P'raps calling most of the world "weak-willed" (which I notice you've stealth-edited your prior comment to soften) and implying th…

This is not about "open offerings" and "closed offerings". It is specifically about how little it takes for people to give away their freedoms. To wit, ~battery life~.

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Post by 1123581321 »

asdff wrote: post #245
conradev wrote: post #215

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As someone who used to work at Apple and have this knowledge at my fingertips… It really is nice to have, when you want to look it up. Userspace daemons and their behavior should not be a mystery. At an extreme minimum, most daemons on macOS have at least a man page describing their high level function.

Where is this documentation? Can you demonstrate how to invoke a man page for a particular background daemon? e.g. an arbitrary process from launchctl list output?

just type man and then the name of the service in terminal, like you'd do for awk or vim. For example, man launchd

man triald will report no manual entry, though.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by Damogran6 »

digisign wrote: post #209
30367286 wrote: post #199

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On what laptops does sleep/hibernate work correctly when you close the lid, with Mint? Seriously, swear to fucking god, every time someone says “oh Linux just works”, the next comment is “oh? I tried that distro on the recommended hardware and had trouble with…” Next response is ALWAYS: “Oh yeah that’s broken but I don’t use that feature.” Usually about hibernate. As in, apparently everyone using a laptop plugged int…

My Dell Precision 55XX works fine with Ubuntu, everything is supported. For example I have two 4k monitors at HiDPI... which I've been using for over five years, despite frequent mentions on this site that it doesn't work.

Interesting...my new Precision 7560 can't sleep _in_Windows_!
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