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Re: MDN Plus

#251
MDN is literally the documentation for everything front-end web that is built-in to browsers and a little more. I hope all of the income from this goes back into MDN. If there's a project that deserves my eternal gratitude, MDN is up there as a web developer.

Thank you to everyone who has ever worked on MDN or contributed at any capacity.

Re: MDN Plus

#252
post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you apply the same rigorous standards to all your purchases? Do you refuse to buy a drink or a pair of shoes or a travel ticket unless you can ensure that "not a single cent goes to execs" who get "absurdly high, grossly underserved salaries while they butcher the company all the way down"? Or do you think the Mozilla execs are _uniquely_ greedy to a degree not comparable to that of the execs of Nestlé, Nike, etc.…

It isn't just "Mozilla Execs", it's specifically Mitchell Baker[1] because of: > " In 2018 she received a total of $2,458,350 in compensation from Mozilla, which represents a 400% payrise since 2008.[14] On the same period, Firefox marketshare was down 85%. When asked about her salary she stated "I learned that my pay was about an 80% discount to market. Meaning that competitive roles elsewhere were paying about 5 ti…

>What have other CEOs done to justify their salaries?

Using the same timescale as the Wikipedia article, 2008 to 2018, Mozilla's revenue had risen from $78.6 million to $436 million. A more than 400% increase. Does that justify her salary?

Re: MDN Plus

#253
post #63

This is an interesting take on documentation - mainly because I fail to see the value proposition in paying for the functionality provided. Speaking from my own experience: - Notifications. I am not sure that I've ever needed to know when a doc is updated, because if there is anything radical coming on the market (or in a spec proposal), there are other avenues to find out about it. - Collections. That is already a f…

The value is that they've documented every front-end DOM api for you and done a lot of leg work for free for years. This will fund their efforts and they do more than just web, they've also been adding documentation on doing back-end web development as well. I'm sure the more subscribers they get, the more they can add. I sincerely hope MDN keeps the majority of the income from these efforts. For front-end work I skip Google or Stack Overflow and look through MDN.

Re: MDN Plus

#254

The other day I wanted to learn Svelte. Even though the tutorials on the Svelte homepage are great, I found the MDN Svelte tutorial to be better: it explains the conceptual differences wrt other frontend frameworks well, it explains in detail how to enable Typescript and migrate your projects, and it has a dedicated section that describes different deployment options. While of - of course - all of these infos can be…

I only realized this a bit ago, but the docs of every product are essentially press pieces. They can't really call out "we suck at this", or "product X is way better, use it instead". Only third parties ever do this, so that's what this is so often the case.

Re: MDN Plus

#255
post #37

I'm curious how often people are needing offline access to documentation for web development.

I use Zeal. You can have super fast internet, but having instant "pop up the python docs for this thing" along with searching while typing is a joy.

It's much more useful for specific API docs rather than general "how do I do X" stuff but it's very nice. Helps that you don't have to deal with scrolling through stuff like web3schools.

Re: MDN Plus

#256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's documented to do so, and it works for me. What part isn't working for you?

It just doesn't revert to the old download. As I said, the first thing I did when I saw the release notes was checking how to go back to the old settings. I tried that on 2 computers, both using linux (Ubuntu and PopOS), without any luck. It doesn't ask me anymore what if I want to open the file or save it.

Curious. I run several profiles of Firefox, on macOS and Linux (Ubuntu derivative) and it works in all cases that I've tested.

I hope it eventually works for you -- I also prefer the old behaviour when doing multiple downloads in quick succession.

Re: MDN Plus

#257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn't just "Mozilla Execs", it's specifically Mitchell Baker[1] because of: > " In 2018 she received a total of $2,458,350 in compensation from Mozilla, which represents a 400% payrise since 2008.[14] On the same period, Firefox marketshare was down 85%. When asked about her salary she stated "I learned that my pay was about an 80% discount to market. Meaning that competitive roles elsewhere were paying about 5 ti…

>What have other CEOs done to justify their salaries? Using the same timescale as the Wikipedia article, 2008 to 2018, Mozilla's revenue had risen from $78.6 million to $436 million. A more than 400% increase. Does that justify her salary?

Using the same timescale, Wikipedia itself (the Wikimedia Foundation) went from $5M revenue to $120M, 24x. [1],[2]. During that time the Executive Director's salary went from $168k to $387k[3]. At the end of Sue Gardner's leadership in 2014 there was a question about her $300k salary[4] which included the response:

"(2) Retention bonus to compensate Sue for lost opportunities during the transition period: $165,000."

This seems to undermine Mitchell Baker's reasons for her salary increase, doesn't it?

Wikipedia also gets a slightly higher score from CharityNavigator than Mozilla, edging them out on more efficient earnings, lower admin overhead, but far ahead on "growth of expenses": https://www.charitynavigator.org/ein/200049703 vs https://www.charitynavigator.org/ein/200097189

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Fundraising_statisti...

[2] https://wikimediafoundation.org/about/financial-reports/#sec...

[3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_salarie...

[4] https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@list...

Re: MDN Plus

#258

Fundamentally, maintaining MDN is costly because of the rate of instability in rapidly changing browser APIs. Those APIs change quickly and inconsistently because they’re managed by a centralized cabal of a few corporations with a combined multiple trillions of dollars in market cap. And yet, somehow it’s Mozilla, the browser vendor with the least money, that ends up saddling the cost for MDN. Why is this? In general…

Their biggest competitor is a major, no?

*major donor

Re: MDN Plus

#259
post #66

I like the idea! While I do not need these premium features I wanted to hit the "sign me up" button instantly just to support them. But then I found out that there's no such button and my country is not on going to be supported anytime soon. And if MDN people are reading this: consider adding an "enterprise" option with centralized account management.

I find the regional availability odd for a product like this. What could be the reason? Maybe payment processing, or i18n?

Mozilla is always bad at supporting international customers on their commercial products. Surely their payment processor is capable of accepting cards from all countries where visa and mastercard operate, right? So what's stopping them from selling their products in all countries? Tax?

It's especially hilarious when their vpn products only available for select countries, but their vendor (Mullvad) accept purchases from all countries.

Re: MDN Plus

#260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>What have other CEOs done to justify their salaries? Using the same timescale as the Wikipedia article, 2008 to 2018, Mozilla's revenue had risen from $78.6 million to $436 million. A more than 400% increase. Does that justify her salary?

Using the same timescale, Wikipedia itself (the Wikimedia Foundation) went from $5M revenue to $120M, 24x. [1],[2]. During that time the Executive Director's salary went from $168k to $387k[3]. At the end of Sue Gardner's leadership in 2014 there was a question about her $300k salary[4] which included the response: " (2) Retention bonus to compensate Sue for lost opportunities during the transition period: $165,000.…

The Wikimedia Foundation is solely a charity and makes it's money from donations. The Mozilla Corporation makes it's money from the contracts the executives negotiate. None of the board members of the Mozilla Foundation, the nonprofit that owns the corporation, receive any salary from the Foundation.

They're not really comparable organizations. The corporate comparisons you started with were closer comparison, though Mozilla has some unique circumstances.

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