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Connecting a gaming PC to Apple Studio Display

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Re: Connecting a gaming PC to Apple Studio Display

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Post by MBCook »

cma wrote: post #205
gumby wrote: post #92

He purchased a TB monitor to plug into a device that doesn't support TB and says "it shouldn't be this hard". Commenters complain that it's 60 Hz but I don't know of an external interconnect that could drive that many pixels any faster. HN is weird sometimes. (I don't plan to buy this monitor either, but not for the reasons above. The LG 5K monitors are perfectly adequate for my needs. And like the post's author I wa…

> Commenters complain that it's 60 Hz but I don't know of an external interconnect that could drive that many pixels any faster. Displayport with DSC (Display Stream Compression) should be able to drive it faster than 60.

DSC isn’t lossless. It’s fine for games or watching video, but might show artifacts on lots of text. Depending on what you’re using the monitor for (and your personal standards) that may or may not be acceptable.

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Post by arvinsim »

ninkendo wrote: post #173
Rebelgecko wrote: post #159

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Are there any alternatives you'd recommend? When last I looked I was surprised how limited the options were for 2160p + higher refresh rates (I guess maybe cables/ports/GPUs need time to catch up?)

Unfortunately there are no monitors sold by any company other than Apple (and LG for that one 5K display they made specifically _for_ apple) that have a “retina” pixel density, which I would define as >200 PPI. (The Studio Display’s is 218.) Every ginormous “4k2k” or whatever display is just that: ginormous, so the actual pixel density is much lower, and is comparable to a typical (smaller, 1440p, etc) display. I sus…

Yup. The closest thing we can get is just 4k 144hz. But will have to sacrifice some clarity for fractional scaling in MacOS.

Re: Connecting a gaming PC to Apple Studio Display

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Post by arvinsim »

MBCook wrote: post #23
madeofpalk wrote: post #11

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It's a weird one. 60hz is pretty low refresh rate. Definitely not a gaming monitor. But it's resolution is quite high. At this resolution, I think there's only one other monitor, the LG Ultra Fine 5k is which is like only $200 cheaper. I think for people that care about resolution/pixel density, this monitor has basically zero competition? There's plenty of lower resolution monitors with higher refresh rates.

That’s the case. And it explains the 60Hz. TB3 can only support 5k@60 due to the amount of bandwidth it takes. So without a newer interconnect (delaying the Studio more) or some fancy custom dual TB setup they didn’t have a choice. The LG has its problems. It’s kind of wobbly, cheap feeling, and the USB-C ports can fail over time from strain/use. The extra $200 for the quality and features of the Apple display sounds…

But would using TB4 solve the issue?

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Post by foo_barrio »

KolenCh wrote: post #247
lsaferite wrote: post #232

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FWIW, DSC is claimed to be lossless. https://www.cablematters.com/blog/DisplayPort/what-is-displa...

They claim it to be visually lossless. There's also a term for audio, but I forgot the exact terminology. Things like this is applying lossy compression carefully with lab test on real humans to claim that under an A/B test an average human would not discern the difference. But it still doesn't mean it should not be taken with a grain of salt. In any case, it is objectively inferior (and subjectively might not matter…

I believe "transparent" is the term used when claiming a lossy audio codec is indistinguishable to a lossless one by a human for some definition of an average human. For example I believe aac was considered transparent for most pop music at 160kbps for stereo, 16-bit @ 44.1khz (CD quality). So iTunes selling 192-256kbps was considered more than enough.

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Post by arvinsim »

kllrnohj wrote: post #210
oblak wrote: post #201

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27 1440 is fine. Is 32 4k that higher dpi wise?

27" 1440p is only 109 ppi. Basically unchanged since the dawn of computer monitors. 32" 4k is then 137 ppi, and 5k 27" is 218 ppi. All of these are pathetically small numbers compared to the >400ppi we all carry in our pockets, though.

If am going to put my tin foil hat on, then I would think it's a deliberate action to keep us glued to our mobile devices.

Re: Connecting a gaming PC to Apple Studio Display

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Post by arvinsim »

eddyg wrote: post #27
anaisbetts wrote: post #14

I don't know why anyone would buy this goofy monitor, the LG 27GN950-B has a gorgeous 4K@144Hz HDR screen, works great for gaming and for reading text / coding, and is cheaper too. You could get this monitor, a pair of great AudioEngine A2 speakers and a webcam, and still have money left over

A 5K display offers about 1,000 extra horizontal and 700 extra vertical pixels. When you're working with 4K images and video, that’s enough space for video editing tools on the side and timelines at the bottom, all while viewing "UltraHD" in its full, unscaled beauty. Until you've experienced what it's like to use a 5K (or even 6K, which will really spoil you), it's hard to appreciate why 4K is insufficient for many…

Or one can use 2 4K monitors side-by-side and can arguably be more productive. It's even cheaper than buying the Studio Display.

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Post by [deleted] »

brigade wrote: post #115
gumby wrote: post #92

He purchased a TB monitor to plug into a device that doesn't support TB and says "it shouldn't be this hard". Commenters complain that it's 60 Hz but I don't know of an external interconnect that could drive that many pixels any faster. HN is weird sometimes. (I don't plan to buy this monitor either, but not for the reasons above. The LG 5K monitors are perfectly adequate for my needs. And like the post's author I wa…

Samsung G9 is for sale now, and it pushes 5120x1440 at 240Hz without subsampling through DisplayPort 1.4, which is the exact same pixel rate as 5120x2880 at 120Hz.

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Post by scottrblock »

StillBored wrote: post #245
scottrblock wrote: post #234

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I think the Dell 8k 32" is pretty close to what you want — https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-ultrasharp-32-8k-m... . It's certainly not cheap! edit: in case anyone knows, I see this monitor "requires two DisplayPorts" for full 8k. Does anyone know if I can plug two display ports into a docking station, and one cord out of the docking station into my 14" m1 mbp? Ideally this would also charge the mbp. Is this…

I'm sure you can get it to work at some lower res/refresh rate than what its designed for. But that monitor is DP 1.4 dual link because it needs more than the 32Gbit one gets out of a single DP 1.4 cable to run at 60Hz. So if your happy with 8K@30Hz and your mac can provide DP 1.4 it might work with a single cable. And from what I know of Mac's your probably out of luck except for the latest M1 models which support T…

thanks, "TB->PCIe expander chassis" wasn't on my radar at all! I'm holding out that apple will release something better than the Studio Display in the next 6-9 months and make some of this a bit easier.

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Post by arvinsim »

aaomidi wrote: post #58
legalcorrection wrote: post #50

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Do you have a recommendation for a 32" monitor? Also, would that monitor you linked be good for office use?

M32U

I have the same monitor. But I wouldn't advise it for color work(only 90% P3)
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